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Portillo Member (Idle past 4191 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
There is no evidence in the Hebrew text of a gap between Genesis 1 and 2. It doesnt tell us much besides the instantaneous and miraculous act of God by which He brought the universe and earth into existence.
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RCS Member (Idle past 2639 days) Posts: 48 From: Delhi, Delhi, India Joined: |
Clear. Atheists in west are living in the xian environment. So their views are decidedly influenced by bible and xianity.
There are "atheist" Hindus too. And their views are influenced by Hindus. The only difference is that they are not CLOSET atheists. Atheists take a view contrary to the ambient theism.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1375 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Portillo writes: I dont see how even an atheist or nonbeliever could possibly say that Genesis doesnt have an origin explanation the trick to jar's post is in the wording, i think:
jar writes: Actually, not even in Genesis. Genesis 1 is more a matter of organization. Genesis 2&3 have some critter creation. But neither is really about creation or provide any explanation of how anything gets created. this is actually true, and a very astute reading of the text. in genesis 1, god simply commands things to happen, and they do. and most of his commands regard organization. there isn't anything being created out of nothing. similarly, in genesis 2, the existence of the world outside of eden is taken for granted. it's simply a story that happens when god created the earth. though, i think jar is obfuscating the point a little. this is, indeed, how quite a lot of creation stories and epic read.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1375 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Portillo writes: There is no evidence in the Hebrew text of a gap between Genesis 1 and 2 gap, no. difference, yes. for instance, there's a clear instance of bookending going on here:
quote: notice how the lines contain basically the same words, but suddenly in a different style? suddenly, שמים and ארץ switch order, and lose their definite articles. the first half of the verse takes the תולדות style, which is a pretty clear sign it was an addition by P (the author of the genealogies). another clear sign of the break is the beginning dependent clause:
quote: notice the תולדות again, as well as the fact that ביום ברא אלהים אדם is precisely the same grammar as above: complex preposition, infinitive construct, subject, direct object, forming a dependent clause. note also that the text suddenly begins using hashem. it's very, very clear that one story ends in genesis 2:3, and another begins in genesis 2:4. it's likely that the original story began in 2:4b (the second half of the verse), and the first half was added by the redactors in the style of the P (or perhaps the redactors are P, to smooth out the transition.
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ScientificBob Member (Idle past 4294 days) Posts: 48 From: Antwerp, Belgium Joined:
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quote: Your beliefs inform your actions. You actions have consequences on your surroundings. Your surroundings include atheists. So yes, in a very real sense, it fact IS your neighbours business what you believe. If you preach your religion, it is very annoying for people who aren't part of your club. Also, what you preach might not be social or promote division, entice hatred,... So yes, what you preach is very much your fellow citizen's business. If your children do not get the medical care that they require because you practice "faith healing", then that is VERY MUCH society's business. Neglect of children is a serious offence.
quote: All citizens pay for public schools. YOU can build your own private schools if you want to teach your bullshit (eventhough I'ld regulate a curriculum for ALL schools, no matter if they are public or private, which reflects the secular society we live in). Public schools have been payed for with tax money from both theists (of all flavors) and atheists. Public schools are to be secular with no religion whatsoever, except perhaps an optional religious class.
quote: Do you also believe that if your muslim neighbours are teaching their children that all non-muslims are dogs that deserve to die and prepping them to become suicide bombers should be left to do what they are doing because you have no say in their family affairs?If not, then where do you draw the line? And if yes: do you think that that is a wise thing to do? quote: That's ridiculous. Atheists are just as much "obsessed" with the koran as with the bible. Does that make islam correct? In reality, off coure, no atheist is obsessed with any scripture. It's just that you happen to live in a country where christians are the majority. So christianity is the religion the atheists in that country are confronted with most. So it's only natural that they focus more on the bible then on other scripture when talking about religious stuff. But off course, you allready know that.
quote: That's a very arbitrary statement imo.
quote: That their country turns into a fascist theocracy.
quote: That's such a weird statement...If the earth is really round, why aren't we teaching in schools that it is flat? Think for a second will ya? EDIT: oeps, only noticed just now that this is a thread from 2010 and I'm replying to the OP.... A well. Edited by ScientificBob, : No reason given.
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4191 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
quote: Thats exactly what happened. The traditional belief is that God created the heavens and the earth "ex nihilo" or from nothing.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1375 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Portillo writes: Thats exactly what happened. The traditional belief is that God created the heavens and the earth "ex nihilo" or from nothing. the traditional belief is also that adam ate an apple in the garden of eden. the truth is that tradition rarely has any bearing on what the bible actually says.
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