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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Before I say anything, let me just say that I don't know enough about economics to do a detail debate.
That said, I've been told by several people that they used to buy into the trickle down economics of Reagan but now have seen the real world effect of that, and it's bad. The assumption was that if rich people got the money they would invest in jobs and make the rest of us prosper. But what actually transpired was that when rich people got more money all they did was gamble away in risky business and caused the economic downturn. They don't care since rich people can ride out the storm without feeling a pinch in their stomach. It's the rest of us that paid the price for their mistakes. The easiest way to see this effect in real life is look back at the Bush decade. Tax cuts after tax cuts, and with each tax cut for the rich more jobs were lost. And the more deregulated the economy got the more ponzi schemes and risky loans developed. And now republicans are said to aim for a 25% tax cut for the rich. Good god, haven't they learned anything from the Bush decade? New Republican 'jobs' plan calls for even more tax cuts for wealthy individuals, corporations Added by edit. And for those who vote republican, did you know that John Boehner got caught red-handed of an act of corruption by fellow republicans? He got caught handing out pay checks from tobacco companies on the congress floor to fellow congressmen right before a vote on tobacco issue. And here's Boehner can't even answer a simple question about tax cuts. Edited by Taz, : No reason given. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Because we as human beings living in our society need a minimum amount of income in order to live comfortably. On the other hand, there is a maximum amount of income where it anymore income is completely useless and harms society as a whole.
An extreme example is Bill Gates. Bill Gates has $40 billion. Does someone like Bill Gates really need more tax cuts? The only reason someone like Bill Gates wants more tax cuts is personal greed. Here is a more real example. My brother makes about $200-250K a year. This amount is down $60K after his company took a hit because of the recession. His company, in order to survive and lay off as few people as possible, had to cut salaries on top of laying off a bunch of people. Of course the executives took no pay cuts. The higher up the echelons went, the less pay cuts occurred. In other words, the lower guys took the biggest cuts. Not only that, many lost their jobs. And here was my brother bitching nonstop about how he shouldn't have gotten any pay cut at all (at the cost of more people getting lay off). Coincidently, he's a conservative republican. He also believes that we should kill medicare and medicaid completely. Here the funny thing. Last year's election in our state he voted democrat. Why? Because the republican candidate swore that he'd stop all construction projects in the state immediately. My brother's company was really preparing for the worst if the republican candidate won the governorship. In fact, they had started sending out letters to potentials for lay-offs. My brother's company would have come a step away from going belly up if the republican candidate had won. The moral of the story is my christian conservative republican brother believes in everything the republican party stands for (lower taxes for the rich, kill medicare and medicaid, stop all social programs, etc.) except for the parts that would affect his job. And I suspect that that's pretty much what the conservative movement is all about. It is the selfishness and greediness that have brought these people into what we now know as the republican party. Would these rich conservative folks still want to kill our social safety nets if they themselves have fallen?
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
I hope everyone realizes that I used Bill Gates as an example only and not meaning to imply Bill Gates actually wanted lower taxes for the wealthy.
There have been many wealthy people talking about wanting higher taxes for the wealthy. It hasn't done much to deter the tea party from forming. Again, I need to stress the fact that there is a limit in income before there's absolutely no benefit. And there is a minimum income in which a person must have to live comfortably in our society. I'd like to know how many tea party members are in favor of raising the retirement age to 70, 75, or 78. Because that's exactly what the republicans want. Notice that all the people who want to raise the retirement age are ridiculously wealthy and will probably never have the need to depend on social security to live.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined:
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Republicans tend to come up with bullshit issues to distract us from the real issues.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
hooah writes:
Hooah, you really should get with the program. We have 4 mouths to feed and we've figured out way way cheaper to raise them. I have two kids to feed and a shit load of debt. For example, schooling is too expensive. With the registration fees, equipments, etc. everything adds up quite a bit. So, we decided to homeschool all of ours. Let them figure things out on their own most of the time. Much cheaper than schooling. As far as food goes, we try to get the cheapest stuff. Since they've never had any better, they don't really care. Sometimes, we mix dog food in there so the food is more filling. Of course, my wife and I couldn't eat that stuff, so we eat real food. And since they were infants, we let them sleep either on the floor or on a thin sheet of bedding. It's better this way. Beds are expensive! We take them to a doctor every 3 years or so to make sure their health is ok and get them the necessary shots. The point is there are a myriad of ways you can approach this to make things a lot more affordable for you. Edit. I should clear some things up. The first 2 (twins) we don't even know who the father was. Damn bastard just left. I was left to take care of the kids and the mom. The 3rd one was kicked out of the house because the new Mrs. didn't want him. The 4th one... well, we thought was a mistake but now that he's 3 we absolutely love him and it was a mistake for us to think he was a mistake.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
frako writes:
No, I am not joking. Every word in my last post is the truth. Um you are joking right? This is America. We can do whatever the hell we want. They're our responsibility. We can do whatever the hell we want. As long as it saves us money. Heck, they should be grateful they have a roof over their heads and a floor to sleep on instead of dirt.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Hey, I thought we don't judge here.
Look at it this way. At least when we go on trips we stop by rest areas for them to go in the grass. My brother just put diapers on his.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
frako writes:
I could have given them a piece of bread and abandon them in the forest behind our house. Just do what i so some gyipsy guy in Trieste italy do, have your kids beg for money and when you think they got enough tell your limo driver to collect them and their cash of course. Nah, I kid. We love them to death. They know this. Probably why they're a little spoiled.
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