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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
There is a business columnist for C.B.S./Wall Street Journal Market Watch, Paul B.Farrell, who has written several columns that forecast dire consequential predictions for the U.S. Economy.
Reagan insider: 'GOP destroyed U.S. economy' (8-10-2010)and Reagan insider: GOP destroyed U.S. economy, Part 2 (5/24/11). Jar suggested that I read them, since I am always worried about my retirement and wondering whom to blame for the economic misfortunes that keep the United States from resuming its golden role as provider nation for spoiled baby boomers such as myself. Admittedly, Farrell usually writes negative columns concerning the U.S. Economy in general.
The Economic Populist quote: So Farrell mentions Treasury Secretary Paulson knowing of such events (that was an older column from a few years ago) and in these latest columns, he mentions David Stockman, President Ronald Reagan's director of the Office of Management and Budget. I browsed the comments to the articles, hoping to glean a counter-argument that would brighten my day, but so far, most of the commentators agree with this gloomy assessment. Does anyone here at EvC have any positive messages of hope for our economic future, or are we as a nation in a huge state of denial? Add By Edit: This discussion is not about placing blame on either political party exclusively. It is about discussing the facts behind our current economic situation and arriving at a political consensus that we all can live with. Endless finger pointing and bickering will not put out the fire. Edited by Phat, : added title Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Oh and one more thing! Even assuming, for the sake of argument, that none of the global religions are right...and that no prophecies have any logical support consider the predicted psychological behavior of a global class war. Fact is, the wealthy own/control 90% of everything. (A common assertion in most sociology textbooks...but what does it really mean?) When the wealth is stripped away from the American middle/lower middle classes, people will be praying and will likely fall prey to huckster preachers....again! For the non-religious, being forced into a lower standard of living will also likely anger many.(I know it will me!) How will we as a people act during this inevitable financial meltdown?
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Taz writes: I can see the wisdom of working harder and getting educated. What I can't see is the idea of making less and/or paying the bill when the wealthiest guy at the table gets a break. if we cough up a bigger percentage of our incomes, so should the wealthy guy. (am I pointing fingers? )
The assumption was that if rich people got the money they would invest in jobs and make the rest of us prosper. But what actually transpired was that when rich people got more money all they did was gamble away in risky business and caused the economic downturn. They don't care since rich people can ride out the storm without feeling a pinch in their stomach. It's the rest of us that paid the price for their mistakes.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Jon writes: Analyze the situation. Appeal to the present and to the past to determine what went wrong. Eliminate the causes of that wrong. Take steps to lessen the effect of that wrong. Fair enough. The article claims that the economy is basically already destroyed. The damage has been done. Jar mentioned this also. (why is he usually right?) If the future is gonna be this bleak, why even dream the dream anymore?
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Taz writes: I've been told by several people that they used to buy into the trickle down economics of Reagan but now have seen the real world effect of that, and it's bad. The assumption was that if rich people got the money they would invest in jobs and make the rest of us prosper. But what actually transpired was that when rich people got more money all they did was gamble away in risky business and caused the economic downturn. They don't care since rich people can ride out the storm without feeling a pinch in their stomach. It's the rest of us that paid the price for their mistakes. Can we blame Obama for this? quote: Republicans claim that only by allowing the free market to grow can the economy recover...but why is it that they are hiring cheaper foreign labor instead of US labor? How do they expect us to recover if they wont pay us??
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
so are you saying that since the rich lost more they should benefit more from a recovery?
If a wealthy businessman has no customers who can afford his products, he will not recover either.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Taq writes: We humans are shortsighted. We weigh the present and immediate future more heavily than the past and the distant future. On top of that, we put our trust in politicians who campaign on increasing wealth in the here and now without any thought to the future (i.e. terms when they will not be running for office). Have we learned anything from the past?
originally, as it turns out, the debt ceiling was supposed to make things easier. A hundred years ago, it seemed so straightforward. When Congress wanted to spend, it spent. And if it needed to borrow, it approved the sale of a bunch of Treasury bonds. Congress would consider each new bond individually. "They would literally approve the form of the security, the purpose of the security, what the duration was going to be, what the interest rate was going to be," says Susan Irving from the Government Accountability Office. What If We Don't Raise The Debt Ceiling? Now, if our credibility gets damaged, the rest of the world may abandon us...leaving us to flounder.
NPR writes: Heck, the tornadoes and floods tipped us back into recession!! We are on the brink of a catastrophe!
Although refusing to raise the ceiling would be an almost unprecedented move, some conservatives argue it's the only way to get federal spending under control. (...)Because the government employs so many people, not paying them even temporarily would have a huge impact on the economy and might tip the U.S. back into recession, Miller says. And if the stalemate went on long enough, politicians might have to choose between paying Social Security recipients and angering the bond market. No one can be sure which choice they would make.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Jon writes: What would make a US worker of value? But to whom is it that we'd be making ourselves more valuable? Ourselves in the end. The End, eh...What End? Are we supposed to suck it up and become a 3rd world nation for a hundred years while we fix what was broken? Try telling that to the guy with a Dodge ram and a gun-rack behind the seat. The same guy who believes that this nation was favored and blessed by God. If the corporations (mainly run by G.O.P.) abandon the American worker in favor of cheaper foreign labor, there will be a war. And can you blame the people for feeling cheated? Edited by Phat, : spelling
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