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Buzsaw
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Message 609 of 657 (618019)
05-31-2011 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 606 by Percy
05-31-2011 9:46 PM


Re: Mt Sinai
Percy writes:
Using the map in my earlier post and scrolling out and finding the green arrow, then zooming in on the green arrow, then clicking on "ter" for terrain, the green arrow is dead center on what Google Maps labels Jebel al Lawz, and it appears to be at approximately the same location as your #10 Jabal Mazḩafah.
But though it's only the 10th highest mountain in Saudi Arabia, it does appear to be the highest mountain in that region. At 6190 feet or 1897 meters, it's almost 2000 feet less than Fearandloathing's number, but it's still the highest mountain in the region.
Definitely no sign of a blackened top (though if I squinted I could definitely make out the drawing of the calf ).
--Percy
More relative than height is location being in the right area to be supportive to the other corroborating evidences. It should be the highest mount in that immediate region. That would make it more supportive than if it were not, I would assume.
Perhaps Fearandloating will explain the height descrepancy for Jabal al Lawz.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 610 of 657 (618020)
05-31-2011 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 607 by DrJones*
05-31-2011 10:08 PM


Re: Re:Height Perspective.
DrJones* writes:
It is unusual for mountain tops to be black
Why is unusual for mountain tops to be black? especially given that you've already admitted that there are other mountains in the area that have black tops.
I suppose if one could view all of the mountains in Saudi Arabia, most would not have dark tops. The Genesis record does not mandate the mountain to look black, how massive the fire was or whether the fire spread to the lesser mountains in the range of mountains, especially after thousands of years.
Edited by Buzsaw, : eliminate word

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Buzsaw
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Message 612 of 657 (618022)
05-31-2011 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 603 by jar
05-31-2011 9:38 PM


Re: Mt Sinai
jar writes:
But also note that it is not the highest in Saudi Arabia by a long shot, in fact it is tenth highest.
Why should it need be the highest to be supportive?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 619 of 657 (618082)
06-01-2011 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 613 by Percy
06-01-2011 7:48 AM


Re: Mt Sinai
Percy writes:
Buzsaw writes:
Why should it need be the highest to be supportive?
I think it's fine that it's the highest in that region, but there's no black top in evidence.
If this is the same mountain that Wyatt identified, how would you test the hypothesis that Wyatt simply looked at a topographical map of the region and picked out the highest one.
I don't know all involved with height determination. Remember, Wyatt was only the pioneer in this project. Lennart Moller and others later got involved. Likely more than simply looking at maps was not all involved in forming determinations.
Percy, again, you are bogging this thread down, derailing it on data that is not direct or isolated evidence for the Genesis account. It is indirect corroborative evidence of sorts. Again, the Genesis account does not state that the top has to be dark or that it need be the highest, etc. It does not describe it. The researchers have followed the trail of evidence and arrived at this location at the Gulf of Aqaba as the most Biblically described location.
I've cited all that I am aware of on this topic. There is as much physical evidence or more cited as there are on many science topics which have been aired here at EvC over the years.
I know that there is a lot at stake here for secularist ideology as it is for that of creationists. We should not be required more than the secularist constituency.
Imo, all, of significance, has been debated over the pages of this thread and others relative to this. Perhaps it's time for folks to assess the evidence and go figure for themselves.
Perhaps this and this will supply some of the info you requested.
As to whether any of these images have been enhanced, I don't know. I don't think it's of significance enough to diminish all of the corroborated evidence cited.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Had to leave in a hurry and assumed to be ready.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 621 of 657 (618164)
06-01-2011 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 620 by Percy
06-01-2011 9:40 AM


Re: Mt Sinai
Percy writes:
You want to maybe edit that post a bit?
--Percy
Thanks Percy. I left in a hurry and assumed the message was ready for posting.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 631 of 657 (618742)
06-05-2011 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 626 by Percy
06-02-2011 8:30 AM


Re: Sandbar, etc.
Percy writes:
The first one we examined, a sandbar at Nuweiba, did not withstand scrutiny.
This has been typical all through this thread, Percy. You people simply wave off significant points of my arguments.
My position changed on the sandbar terminology after determining that that was the wrong word. I cited things like the sudden drop off and my explanation for that, etc
Of course it didn't withstand your scrutiny. None of it would ever withstand your scrutiny. To admit any of it would be to admit something supernatural or some credibility to the Genesis record. That's your biased opinion. Your bully pulpit allows you to become judge and jury, awarding yourself the judgment. .
Edited by Buzsaw, : Update title

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 640 of 657 (618940)
06-07-2011 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 639 by Coragyps
06-07-2011 7:28 AM


Re: In Regards to Something (like that ..)
Coragyps writes:
Where did the Hebrews camp out for most of 40 years in the desert?
That has been addressed in the thread. Most of their time was at Kadesh Barnea, i.e. Petra which has been occupied by pagan cultures since, erasing any signs of the Jews.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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