So... we should have signed a treaty with Nazi Germany and let it exterminate all the "undesirables" as well as leveling Russia? Sorry to invoke godwin's law, but your quote is as meaningless as... I can't even find the word to describe how nonsensical this quote is. Sure, it sounds nice and all, but it has no bearing for reality.
Sure there is a time for self defence, and frankly I don't have an easy answer about how you turn the other cheek on behalf of someone else.
Essentially what I'm saying is that we have to look at our motivation for what we do. It should never be about power, vengeance, money or influence. I would agree that the war against Nazism was justified, but I think what is important, (as I said earlier in this thread), were the actions after the war. The western Allies, primarily the US, were instrumental in the rebuilding of post-war Germany.
The point is that war is shouldn't be about individuals or nations. It is about ideas and ideology and in the long run you can't impose an ideology based on loving your neighbour by dropping bombs on people. As an ex-member of the military myself I do understand that there is such a thing as a just war but it should be a last resort, and as I said we should have a good understanding of our motivation for entering into conflict.
I entered into this thread as I was disturbed about Buzsaw's comments on the US President's position on the boundaries of Israel. Whether he was right to do that or not I don't know. I do know though, that many people have died, in a tit for tat conflict that has gone on for years, and nothing has been solved. There just has to be a better way.
God --- he's wrathful but inaccurate. You want to watch out, he might smite you for my sins.
What do you expect from a 15 billion year old guy he is probably blind as shit and senile.
tough we do have a saying god punishes those he loves.
Its may 23 today sunny and a lovely day no signs of Zombies, brimstone daemons lakes of fire or anything apocalyptic. And i was so looking forward to a zombie infestation.
Damm religious fanatics
He is probably in the Bahamas enjoining a nice cocktail and laughing at the idiots who believed him
Buzz disasters happen Tornadoes happen Joplin already had one in 1911 7 people died then so i think it is reasonable to assume that if it happened once it may one day happen again its just coincidence that it happen on may 22 it would be a better coincidence if it happened on may 21
When I predicted more bad stuff for the US, I really hoped it would be later than sooner. I said it could happen the next day, but didn't really expect it to come that soon. I hope nobody here is from Joplin.
God --- he's wrathful but inaccurate. You want to watch out, he might smite you for my sins.
The prophecy did not pertain to parties. It pertained to nations AND individuals. take note As for who's sins; did you vote for Obama? Unfortunately, we all suffer, not by Jehovah, but for the stupidity of too many sheeple voters, ignorant or apathetic of Jehovah's warnings and ignoring the warnings all over the net as to the enemy of America who promised to change this nation into a socialist state, dependent upon foreign energy, shutting down our coal mines and restricting oil production.
Go back to the Obama threads back in '08 where I warned you about this despotic radical who would undermine our good ally Israel and favor their Muslim enemies.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Buzz disasters happen Tornadoes happen Joplin already had one in 1911 7 people died then so i think it is reasonable to assume that if it happened once it may one day happen again its just coincidence that it happen on may 22 it would be a better coincidence if it happened on may 21
The same goes for other disasters.
Franko, I've lived 76 years. I know how many more disastrous weather related things are happening to the US than ever in it's history, one after another, after another. I've also noted that every time we undermine Israel, God undermines us, so to speak. Our presidents of late and our State Department have increasingly pressured Israel to give up what Jehovah promised them for ever. Thus the disasters increase in intensity and frequency.
Just as other Biblical prophecies, especially pertaining to Israel, prove, in time, to fulfill, so this one.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
The prophecy did not pertain to parties. It pertained to nations AND individuals.
Joplin is neither.
If God really had a beef against Obama, he could smite him like Nebuchadnezzar. Either he doesn't want to or he doesn't exist.
As for who's sins; did you vote for Obama?
Ooh, very sinful sins. You'll probably get a plague of frogs.
Unfortunately, we all suffer, not by Jehovah, but for the stupidity of too many sheeple voters, ignorant or apathetic of Jehovah's warnings and ignoring the warnings all over the net as to the enemy of America who promised to change this nation into a socialist state, dependent upon foreign energy, shutting down our coal mines and restricting oil production.
Funny, I don't remember Jehovah saying that.
And if you have told such silly lies, it's no wonder that people ignore you.
Go back to the Obama threads back in '08 where I warned you about this despotic radical who would undermine our good ally Israel and favor their Muslim enemies.
You did; and how laughably wrong you were in every particular.
Go back to the Obama threads back in '08 where I warned you about this despotic radical who would undermine our good ally Israel and favor their Muslim enemies.
Okay let's do that;
Buzsaw writes:
What can we expect to eventually become reality according to the agenda of the new far left Obama and Congress: 1. Forced unionism. 2. Socialized medicine. 3. Weaker smaller military. 4. Paramilitary civilian government controlled services required upon every young person. 5. So called (miss called) Fairness Doctrine essentially eliminating right wing talk shows in the media, highly expanding what is regarded as hate speech. 6. Increased Jihadist terrorism by terrorists who supported the Obama presidency. 7. Further undermining of the sovereignty of Israel. 8. Increased energy costs. 9. Excessive high coal standards which will essentially put the coal mines out of business. 10. Expansion of the EPA's influence to the point of more dependence of foreign energy. 11. Severe depression as the result of regulation and high taxes on business and the well to do who provide the jobs as they choose to close up rather than to comply. 12. Expansion of regulations on businesses. 13. Wider open boarders and expansion of rights etc to illegal aliens. 14. Highly expansion of UN powers over nations and diminishment of sovereignty of nations. 15. Billions of American $$ more committed to UN welfare for third world nations, including oppressive governments. 16. Reduction of freedom of religion via the Fairness Doctrine and other government regulations. 17. Totally leftist Supreme Court and circuit courts etc which essentially permanently embeds America into socialism and the leftist agenda relative to all aspects of life. 18. Expansion of anti-gun laws. 19. Phenominal expansion of Federal government power/control and diminishment of state and local government control.
IN SHORT, THE END OF THE AMERICAN DREAM AND THE AMERICAN WAY.
YES, NATION OF ISLAM'S, JEHADIST'S, COMMUNIST PARTY'S, FORCED UNIONISM'S, UN'S, CHAVEZ'S CANDIDATE AND THE CANDIDATE OF MOST OF AMERICA'S OTHER ENEMIES, BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, "WILL CHANGE AMERICA," AS PROMISED.
Now the last time I asked you to back up any of those predictions, you told five pathetic lies and then backed off. Care to try again? I'm especially keen to hear how the right-wing media has been "eliminated".
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Israel spends a great deal of time and money on advanced military equipment. Just maybe they could spend that money helping their Arab neighbors to build up their own territories. I agree that this would not solve the problem over night, but as Christians we should believe that in the long term it will. At least according to Jesus it would be the right thing to do.
Are you aware that their Arab neighbors, about 20 to 1 in population are capable of building up their own territories? Why should tiny Israel need to do their work for them when their primary interest is driving Israel into the sea? The Palestinians don't even show Israel on the map in their schools. They don't want peace with Israel. Look on the map at all of the Arab land, but they want Israel after the Jews went in and turned a desolate land into a fruitful and fertile industrious land.
In 1500 years the Arabs have made nothing of their vast territories. Why do you think they will now?
Bullshit Buz.
There were thriving communities in Palestine before the creation of the Israeli State and what is under discussion is the territory that Israel is occupying, as a terrorist foreign invader.
Oh. Can we see a picture of some of them? So GDR thinks they need Israel's help to do it in their own territory What are they building up in the lands of Ammon and Edon? I would guess the Ammonites and Edonites faired ok there back in the old days. What do you think?
Maybe some of their friends like Iran, Syria. Iraq, the Saudis or Jordon could spare them a plot and lend them a hand. No?
The Ammonites and Edomites faired just fine. There is actually pretty good evidence they existed.
It really doesn't much matter how you cut it Buz, the facts are that the area has been occupied since long before Adam and the modern state of Israel is not the Biblical state of Israel (the one cursed by God).
You really need to learn a little Biblical history at the very least.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
I have been thinking about your american funny judicial system is it possible to sue Harold camping for anything now ?
Funny as in a guy suing god for not giving him talent to play guitar and winning, or a woman suing the microwave factory for not telling her to not dry her cat in a microwave ....
I have been thinking about your american funny judicial system is it possible to sue Harold camping for anything now ?
I'm not american. And I don't know. I would sue though, if I were duped by him.
I don't think he should be able to get away with this... I mean... When you call authorities and falsely claim that a bomb will explode in some public place killing dozens of people... you can get arrested.
I don't see how this is different - in fact, it seems worse.
frakoi writes:
Funny as in a guy suing god for not giving him talent to play guitar and winning, or a woman suing the microwave factory for not telling her to not dry her cat in a microwave ....
Hahaha, yeah, that was pretty funny :-) Especially since these days, just about any manual of microwaves sold in the US mention in fine print "do not use to dry pets"
So show me some data that says otherwise. And given that i actually believe in global warming or climate change this data surprises me.
But, but, but.... Those are just facts. And data. How can we possibly give that more weight than what Buz knows? I mean, did you read that carefully? He knows!
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CAPTION By AP The San Francisco Chronicle has tracked down the failed prophet of the Saturday doomsday prediction, Harold Camping, and found him subdued and somewhat "flabbergasted."
Ya think?
He answered his door in the early evening, hours after the world was supposed to face Judgment Day with Christian believers airlifted to Heaven. Alameda, Calif., may be heavenly but there's no pearly gate there.
It has been a really tough weekend," said Harold Camping, the 89-year-old fundamentalist radio preacher who convinced hundreds of his followers that the rapture would occur on Saturday at 6 p.m.
He told the paper he was engaged in prayer and consultations and expected to be back to his radio network office Monday to face the music -- and it's not harps. He told the Chronicle:
I'm looking for answers. But now I have nothing else to say. I'll be back to work Monday and will say more then."
Ed Stetzer, president of Lifeway Research, tweeted some very specific expectations:
Harold Camping, pls update http://www.family.radio.com w/your repentance statement & instructions to your now-broke followers.
At National Public Radio, Barbara Bradley Hagerty called some Camping followers on the sobering morning after the non-apocalypse.
... most didn't answer the phone. Those who did wouldn't talk on the record. But one man, his voice quavering, said he was still holding out hope that they were one day off. Another believer asserted that their prayers worked: God delayed judgment so that more people could be saved, but the end is "imminent."
But Hagerty also learned from a board member of Camping's Family Radio that he hoped they would somehow return the funds donated by believers who wanted to get out the May 21st word. But he offered no guarantees, just a hope that God would be merciful.
God may be merciful but the public? Maybe not so much.
Would you believe anything Camping says now? Did you before?
Found this a little while ago. Will be interesting too see if anyone gets even partial refunds.
If any of his followers kill themselves I wonder how he would feel??
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