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xongsmith
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Message 52 of 285 (612477)
04-16-2011 3:09 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Straggler
04-15-2011 6:48 AM


Straggler writes:
It is believed by some that this coming May biblical Armageddon will occur. Surely in the bewildering unlikely event that this occurs it would qualify as evidence in favour of the supernatural?
{...deletia....}
Surely the above scenario would qualify as evidence of the supernatural?
Or a huge hoax perpetrated by an advanced alien invasion force, getting their larfs on us at an unprecedented rate.....
I was wondering if you might have had something to say here....
Sorry to be late to the table. Is there any good single malt scotch left?

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 53 of 285 (612479)
04-16-2011 3:39 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Taq
04-15-2011 1:47 PM


Taq writes:
For millenia we lived in a world where the supernatural was all around us causing repeatable and demonstrable changes in our everyday lives. With the advent of science the supernatural disappeared as we found that these magical happenings were not supernatural afterall. For those who want to push the supernatural into the indiscernable and inscrutable it might be worth pointing out how far of a retreat this really is from where the supernatural used to be.
This is another log on the fire of scientific investigation removing the "supernatural". That is what it does, you could say, by definition. The possibility of "it's magic" is NOT a permissible scientific observation, as has been referred to above over the entire recorded evidence of homo sapiens.
In other words, the very same strength of the lengthy and consistent pattern of scientific investigation showing that the only known source of the supernatural is imagination is the same strength of the argument that the investigation will inexorably determine that there is only a natural explanation and thus bluegenes' theory cannot be falsified.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 80 of 285 (612969)
04-20-2011 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by 1.61803
04-20-2011 1:55 PM


1.61803 writes:
I feel that the folder labeled "supernatural" is a sub folder for the folder labeled "unknown"
in other words there is no contradiction.
Yes - the same as my Box 2a in Message 111 that Straggler did not like.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 119 of 285 (613139)
04-21-2011 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Straggler
04-21-2011 12:08 PM


Re: Evidencing The Supernatural
Straggler writes:
Why can't it be both known to exist and supernatural?
Politics, Straggs, politics.....

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 125 of 285 (613387)
04-24-2011 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Straggler
04-24-2011 10:42 PM


Re: Evidencing The Supernatural
Straggler writes:
The fact that there is no evidence of something does not mean that it is by definition impossible for it to be evidenced. Obviously.
Is Thor supernatural?
No. He is not. Maybe he used to be, but we know now that he was a figment of human imagination.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 131 of 285 (613502)
04-25-2011 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Straggler
04-24-2011 11:15 PM


Re: Evidencing The Supernaturaling that exists.
Straggler writes:
What used to qualify Thor as supernatural that he is now lacking?
Why can something not be both a known fiction and supernatural?
It's the difference between a supernatual concept and a supernatural being that actually exists.
As a card-carrying bluegenes' theoretician, wouldn't you agree that so far all known supernatural concepts are fiction?
As for Thor, back in the day there were enough folks at the top of the information chain who held the view that Thor, the supernatural being, was real and thus for a while it was a prevailing concept writ large. Of course, Thor was not considered to be anything in other areas of the world, since back then, from those other parts of the world, reciprocally, "other areas of the world" were most likely not even thought of.
Remember the white english speaking journalist confronting Shaka Zulu Khan and telling him about this dude Jesus in that nice documentary. Strange things have happened.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 231 of 285 (614488)
05-04-2011 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by Straggler
05-04-2011 12:56 PM


Re: I am making this as simple and plain as I can.
Straggler writes:
jar writes:
I have said, that since I have never been dead, I MIGHT, understand that word, be able to determine paranormal or supernatural after I am dead.
"MIGHT" {Straggler's} hypothetical scenario occur in the same way that your own hypothetical scenario "MIGHT" occur?
The difference is in how he experiences it. If, however unlikely (hence the emphasis on "MIGHT"), after he is dead and his consciousness is still around, like in some form like a sort of soul, then he is directly experiencing within himself something supernatural ("Hey! I'm still here!!"). Your hypothetical scenario is something he would be observing external to his self. Same way with Modulous' example of someone else who is dead sending a post death message using encryption - IT IS NOT jar. They are as if proxy examples.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 271 of 285 (676584)
10-23-2012 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by jar
10-23-2012 7:19 PM


It really is NOT IN ANY WAY simple.
jar excerpted here:
...but as i have said I see absolutely no way anyone could show, evidence, experience or know something was supernatural.
Remember my Message 1220 on the analemma!
Edited by xongsmith, : No reason given.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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