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Topic: The Movie Paranormal Activity
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 218 of 285 (614426)
05-04-2011 10:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 216 by Straggler
05-04-2011 6:57 AM
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Re: filing system error
Straggler writes: Out of interest - If you were the ghost in question would you consider that to be evidence of the supernatural/paranormal? If you found yourself in some ghost like existence (ala Patrick Swayze) would that constitute evidence of the paranormal as far as you are concerned? Or would that be "unknown"....? I guess I can repeat yet again the answer to that question. Maybe; after I am dead, I might be able to find a way to test whether something is paranormal or supernatural. But until then, I really have no idea. Ask me after that happens, should that happen.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 221 of 285 (614436)
05-04-2011 10:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 220 by Straggler
05-04-2011 10:38 AM
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Re: filing system error
And I will gladly repeat yet again the answer I've given to you related to those questions. If someone presents me with a reliable and repeatable method where I can test and distinguish something that is paranormal or supernatural then I would gladly reconsider my position. But I simply cannot imagine what such test or method might be. For example, how do I test divine revelation to determine that it really is divine revelation?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 223 of 285 (614442)
05-04-2011 11:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 222 by Straggler
05-04-2011 11:35 AM
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I am making this as simple and plain as I can.
And I will again repeat what I have told you before. If someone or something provides me with a reliable and repeatable method to test and determine that something is supernatural or paranormal then I will gladly reconsider my position. But I cannot imagine how that could happen.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 226 of 285 (614454)
05-04-2011 12:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 224 by Straggler
05-04-2011 11:48 AM
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Re: I am making this as simple and plain as I can.
And I have said that I cannot imagine how it can happen in either scenario as long as I am alive. I have said, that since I have never been dead, I MIGHT, understand that word, be able to determine paranormal or supernatural after I am dead. And I have said, that if I was given a way to determine or test reliably and repeatedly even while I was alive I would gladly my position. It really is that simple.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 230 of 285 (614484)
05-04-2011 2:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 228 by Straggler
05-04-2011 12:56 PM
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Re: I am making this as simple and plain as I can.
Again, no I have never experienced "divine revelation that revealed to you a definitive method of emphatically distinguishing between natural and supernatural". And I will repeat yet again, if something did come along that allowed me to reliably and repeatedly identify something as paranormal or supernatural or even "Abi Normal" I would gladly reconsider my position. But so far no such critter has cum long.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: I am making this as simple and plain as I can.
I don't know, ask me after it happens. I think I have mentioned that once or more before.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: I am making this as simple and plain as I can.
Yes, or both or tomorrow. The point is until something comes along to give me some reason to reconsider my position I see no need to reconsider my postion.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Jar IS Patrick Swayze In "Ghost"....
Straggler writes: jar writes: The point is until something comes along to give me some reason to reconsider my position I see no need to reconsider my postion. And the question posed in this thread is what exactly constitutes that "something".
jar writes: Straggler writes: After divine revelation happens? Or death? Or either? Yes, or both or tomorrow. Well I am glad to see we have got past your morbid obsession with death. So short of divine revelation and death scenarios what other means of helping you definitively conclude the supernatural might there be? I asked before and you evaded - But if you found yourself in the Patrick Swayze type ghost situation (i.e. dead but conscious and able to materially interract via your will alone) would you consider that evidence for the supernatural or just something "unknown"...? Please don't tell me what you MIGHT know. Just tell me what you would conclude from that specific scenario. No, I did answer that. If I found myself in the Patrick Swaze type ghost situation it would be "Unknown", not paranormal or supernatural, unless there was so specific reliable repeatable test I could use to distinguish paranormal and supernatural. Ask me after it happens. I MIGHT know then.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Jar IS Patrick Swayze In "Ghost"....
Straggler writes: jar writes: If I found myself in the Patrick Swaze type ghost situation it would be "Unknown", not paranormal or supernatural, unless there was so specific reliable repeatable test I could use to distinguish paranormal and supernatural. Can you explain what you mean by 'paranormal' in this context? Because I think by most common definitions of the term a dead person whose immaterial conscious will can interract with the material world would defibnitely constitute evidence of the paranormal. And you know, it just MIGHT. Ask me after it happens and I MIGHT be able to tell you.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Jar IS Patrick Swayze In "Ghost"....
Yes, hypotheticals are just plain silly, in this case useless. As I said, I cannot imagine any way that while I am alive I could identify anything as paranormal or supernatural.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 245 of 285 (614602)
05-05-2011 10:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 244 by Straggler
05-05-2011 5:50 AM
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Re: Jar IS Patrick Swayze In "Ghost"....
Again, I have said I cannot imagine ANY way to test to identify something as paranormal or supernatural as long as I am alive. I have no problem with your definition of what would be paranormal, only with the idea that such a thing could even exist or that it is a label that has any use or real meaning other than as an example showing that folk feel better when they can use some label instead of admitting the incident is just unknown. If I ran into something like your Patrick Swaze scenario while I was alive, say as Whoopi, I would not call it paranormal, but rather as unknown. If I was the Patrick Swaze character, then I would be dead and MIGHT have a way to test. But even then, the label I'd use is Unknown UNTIL I could find a reliable and repeatable way to determine if something is paranormal, supernatural or some other label.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 248 of 285 (614612)
05-05-2011 12:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 247 by Straggler
05-05-2011 12:07 PM
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Re: Jar IS Patrick Swayze In "Ghost"....
Straggler writes: Are you describing the objects of your own beliefs as necessarily meaningless and unreal? No I am saying that I cannot test to see if they are real.
Straggler writes: Do you think the idea that "you" can go round knowing things or testing them once you are dead is any less hypothetical or evidence-defying than any of the other scenarios you have been confronted with in this thread? Again, please read what I have said. I have NOT said that I can test things after I am dead, I have said that MAYBE I might be able to test them after I am dead. I have no experience with what being dead is like and so cannot say what I will be able to do then, if anything. I do have experience though with being alive, and so I can address what I can do there. It really is that simple.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 250 of 285 (614743)
05-06-2011 10:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 249 by Straggler
05-06-2011 10:45 AM
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Re: Hypothetical Maybes
Again, I repeat, I cannot imagine any tests I could perform while I am alive that would allow me to designate something as supernatural or paranormal. IF (I repeat) someone provides a test that is reliable and repeatable and identifies things that are paranormal or supernatural, I am perfectly willing to reconsider my position. I have no idea what it will be like or what I may or may not be able to do after I am dead. However if you can figure out a way to ask me that question after I am dead, I MIGHT be able to give you an answer.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 252 of 285 (614750)
05-06-2011 12:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 251 by Modulous
05-06-2011 12:02 PM
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Re: Hypothetical Maybes
I just don't see a need to label something that is unknown as anything but unknown. You are correct, I cannot define either paranormal or supernatural in a way that could be verified. How does one distinguish between paranormal and supernatural?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 254 of 285 (614762)
05-06-2011 12:40 PM
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It really is simple.
Yet again, although it really does seem quite simple. I cannot test for GOD because I know of and can not imagine any way to test either the paranormal or the supernatural. I have never been dead and so I cannot say what I might be able to do when I am dead.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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