Biblical Creation

Biblical CreationGenesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth.Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,For this discussion these are to be accepted as fact.
Now what I would like to discuss is what could and would have happened.I would like to examine the story told in Genesis 2:4-4:24 I will here concede I have a problem with verses 25, and 26.
That aside I would like to examine the early universe and earth in the light of what the Bible says about it. There has been many people ask what kind of a hypothesis a creationist could come up with that would be testable.I would like to bring up some things I have never been able to read about and can find no discussions about,If my interpertation is correct there was existence and from this existence everything that exists today was caused to begin to exist by that existence.The aim will be to discuss how everything that exists today was caused to exist by the eternal existence.ABE:In Exodus 3:14 God told Moses to tell the children of Israel that "I AM" hath sent me."I AM" being existence.In Hebrews 11:2, 3 the author tells us God made a plural of worlds.The universe and one of those worlds was ceated in Genesis 1:1.The history of that world is given in Genesis 2:4-4:24.In Isaiah 40:22, 45:12, and Jeremiah 10:12 all tell us thousands of years ago that the heavens have been streached out. Science has recently discovered this and calls it expansion.Other than that the discussion that will be brought forth will be wading out in uncharted waters. Science tells us nothing of the origin of the universe. I would like to discuss the posibilities of what could be if Genesis 1:1 and its history in Genesis 2:4-4:25 is in fact what God said and did.Why was there no sea mentioned in these verses?
What was the size of the earth at that time?
What would have been necessary for the fossil fuels we have today that are miles under rock, under immense pressure?
How could those fossils have gotten to the position they are in today?
What would have been the volume of fossils and vegetation required to produce the trillions of gallons of oil, natural gase and tons of coal in the earth?There are many more questions that I would like to explore answers for but these would do for starters.This is the reason I made the following statement.Bible Study will be fine as we don't have a Philosophy Thread.Most of the things to be discussed will be in the field of Philosophy with no known evidence for their existence.We do know the oil, natural gas, and coal exists. But how and why?Was the earth much smaller at one time for billions of years when the vegetation and other materials were produced to be able to produce the oil, natural gas, and coal then covered with miles of rock?How is this accounted for by science?If my interpertation of Genesis 1:1 and its history are correct you would possibly find fossils of humans that was very old. Which we do.If my Philosophy is correct and there was many worlds created prior to Genesis 1:2 you would find a lot of different kinds of fossils. Which we do.The reason for attempting this discussion is for learning purposes only as it is uncharted waters as I can find no written works covering the questions and observations I have mentioned.If this is beyond the scope of EvC then do not promote this topic.If the motto 'understanding through discussion' is true then why not have the discussion?God Bless,Edited by ICANT, : No reason given.Edited by ICANT, : No reason given.Edited by ICANT, : No reason given.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Too general for promotion.Focus on something specific you wish to debate concerning the A&E story. Make your case in the OP and provide the evidence or reasoned argumentation that supports your case.I assume you want this in Bible Study?Thanks
AdminPD

Hi PD, My intention is not to debate the A&E story.As I stated the aim is to discuss how eternal existence caused the universe and everything in it to begin to exist.Starting with Genesis 1:1 which is to be accepted as written along with it's history in Genesis 2:4-4:24.So since I want to discuss Existence, and how that Existence caused everything that exists today to began to exist. How am I supposed to focus on one specific thing, as it covers billions of years?If you have some suggestions please put them forth.1. The first thing to establish would be Existence.
2. Once Existence is established then how that Existence caused all that exists today to begin to exist would be discussed.I will place a couple of references in the OP concerning Existence.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

I'm sure that you feel what you wrote is consistent since you know where you're going, but the OP is too vague and isn't consistent and given your reply, it doesn't fit in the Bible Study forum.If you're going to discuss existence, then make your point. Stop telling us what you're going to do and just do it.Once of the science Admins would probably be a better fit to decide if your discussion of existence is a viable topic.AdminPD

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi ICANT,I'm examining your thread proposal with an eye toward Is It Science?. This is so vague it could mean anything you want to later claim it means, so you'll have to be much more clear than this. If you can make some clear unamibiguous statements that are consistent with observations and describe how they might be used to make verifiable predictions then that would help quite a bit.I think you can safely assume that people grant the existence of existence.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi Percy, But how many believe in eternal existence which I am talking about?Only those who believe in God and a few scientist who do not believe that all that exists could begin to exist from non existence.All who require a beginning to exist for our existence does not.They only believe in existence because we exist.I edited the OP if it can be promoted in order to discuss the things I have presented, I would love to see if I can broaden my knowledge base. If not I will waste no more time with the subject, as there is no way to narrow the subject as PD and yourself are proposing.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi ICANT,I can only find two statements that could be tied to observations from the real world in your opening post: This is a topic of cosmology where you claim that the expansion of universe is described in the Bible. This doesn't seem a sufficiently broad topic for discussion, so you'd have to flesh it out. This is a topic of anthropology or paleontology where you claim very old fossils of humans have been found but are not specific as to age or the find itself.You'll have to narrow it down to a topic in just one area.About this portion: Again, this is so vague that you could claim almost any meaning.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi Percy,Sorry to see you do not want to see if somebody can put together a Biblical account of creation. Your limitations would be like limiting a discussion of the BBT to the hyper inflation that is supposed to have taken place in the first moments of expansion.Thanks anyway.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."