GDR writes:
Buzsaw writes:
Yes, I am the unbeliever, but guess what. The Islamic fundamentalists are teaching and practicing exactly as I read it and as I observe them teaching and practicing. I'm being very objective, reading their scriptures and observing them practicing what I've read. Methinks you need to get objective, me brother.
I'm not making any claim of being objective. We all come to this with our subjective views, and that includes you. I'm not sure how much time you spend observing Muslims but I again make the point that the vast majority of the world's Muslims wish to live at peace with their neighbours.
Yah, sure, GDR, like Israel's Islamic neighbors working to drive the nation into the Mediterranean Sea and like the Iraqi and Iran wars when the Iran Shiites and the Iraqi Sunnis slaughtered one another by the tens of thousands.
Like now the Islam Brotherhood and their Shiite Hezbolah allies are slaughtering the Egyptian and Lybian Sunni Hammas, with the US & NATO siding with the Hezbolah-ish Shiites in each and every war?
Yah sure, neighboring one another into their graves. Better do you homework, my brother. Our government and the US sheeple are certainly not.
For what it's worth, our president's family were/are Sunni. He doesn't really want to take out Gadaffi, the good bud of Louis Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright, Obama's former pastor. Thus his reluctance to bring on the air cover on behalf of the Hezbolah types. He's being pressured into this action. Thus also, his underming of the Afgan war and the imputus to end our war effort in Iraq on behalf of the Shiites there.
GDR writes:
Buzsaw writes:
For what it's worth, if those fundamentals were observed in modern churches, God would be pleased. It was his Holy Spirit who inspired them to be written. Having said that, I'm not on a soap box advocating those fundamentals, regarding women, but I do refuse to sit under a woman preacher or teacher of men in any church, that being the role of men, Biblically. That is why there have never been any great or renowned women preacher or evangelists. Women are free to teach children and other women, however. If you want to discuss that further, I will participate if you propose a thread on it.
As I said somewhere else I don't accept the Bible as the fourth member of the Trinity. The Bible is a gift from God, and if we read it with Godly wisdom we can discern the path the God wants us to walk on. If it is taken as the great rule book then I believe that what God really wants to say to us is being missed.
So you reject that the Holy Scriptures were inspired by God via his Holy Spirit and that it is necessarily true? Are you aware of the last chapter of it and elsewhere that warn against adding to or detracting from it?
GDR writes:
The message in my view is that God wants us to reach out to those of other faiths in love and charity. Read this verse from Matthew 7.
We are to reach out and care for their necessities, to evangelize them and to love them, but not to love or accept their doctrines or ways. Christian fundamentalist organizations such as the Voice of The Martyrs, Samaritan's Purse and World Vision work and risk their own lives to help all, particularly the oppressed. I contribute liberally to VOM, knowing full well that some of my funds go to help Muslims. I have no problem with that.
GDR writes:
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21 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
You are aware, I hope, that spiritual
brethren of Jesus are all Christian.
GDR writes:
IMHO the Muslim who acts with love and charity to his neighbour is closer to God than the Christian who condemns that same Muslim for what his faith.
Jesus said "no man comes to the father (God) but by me." He also condemned, verbally, the Sadducee's, the Pharisees and all who oppose his gospel. What do you do with that?
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