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GDR
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Message 32 of 47 (609737)
03-22-2011 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Theodoric
03-18-2011 9:47 AM


Is This Where the Supernatural Is?
The November cover of "Scientific American" headlined the lead story in the that edition.
The headline was: HIDDEN WORLDS OF DARK MATTER - An Entire Universe may be Interwoven Silently With Our Own".
IF this is true, then there is a whole universe out there that currently we are unable to perceive. Could that be construed as a supernatural universe?

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GDR
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Message 34 of 47 (609755)
03-22-2011 8:39 PM
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03-22-2011 6:55 PM


Re: Is This Where the Supernatural Is?
Mirriam-Webster's
Definition of SUPERNATURAL
1: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe; especially : of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil
2a : departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature b : attributed to an invisible agent (as a ghost or spirit)
It does fit the bill for the first part of the definition in that it is talking about something beyond the "visible observable universe". To go beyond that we are definitely into the speculative.

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GDR
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Message 39 of 47 (609826)
03-23-2011 1:55 PM
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03-23-2011 11:40 AM


Re: Is This Where the Supernatural Is?
Taq writes:
If something has a predictable effect on the natural world and is potentially describable through some sort of scientific law then I would include it as natural, not supernatural. As of the moment, dark matter appears to have predictable effects on the natural world (e.g. gravitational lensing, rotation of galaxies) and seems conducive to being described by scientific laws.
Here are some of the other statements in the magazine about the article.
quote:
A shadow cosmos in our midst may be as dynamic as the visible one.
quote:
Through the force of gravity, dark matter sculpts the universe into a web of galaxies. Theorists now suspect that it may exert other forces as well.
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A shadow cosmos, woven silently into our own, may have its own rich inner life.

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Message 41 of 47 (609846)
03-23-2011 6:02 PM
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03-23-2011 4:56 PM


Re: Is This Where the Supernatural Is?
Theodoric writes:
And what pray tell do any of these statements you quote have to do with anything. Maybe you should try explaining the point you are trying to make.
Good question and I wish I had a really good answer.
The OP more or less asked the question if we had arguments pro or con the supernatural. I found the article in SA interesting and it seems to me that what they are talking about in that article might be considered supernatural. The whole article of course was theoretical and proves nothing but it does provide a point of view.
I'm not trying to make any particular claim.

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