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Author Topic:   What IS evidence of design? (CLOSING STATEMENTS ONLY)
Dawn Bertot
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Message 358 of 377 (608722)
03-12-2011 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 357 by Percy
03-12-2011 8:27 PM


Re: Summary
I think what caught my attention most in this thread was the belief that irreducible complexity has some kind of legitimacy as an idea when it is favored by only a tiny minority among scientists (and I'm being kind), and it is not the focus of active research anywhere, including by Michael Behe, the idea's originator.
--Percy
What should have caught your attention and it obviously still has not, is that IC is a lesser component (a residual) of ID evidence deduced logically by an examination of the actual physical world. Order and purpose are exacally that, order and purpose. No approval on your part or a demonstration of or by a designer is required for evidence to be simply logical evidence. its evidence because its completley logical and testable as evidence, a designer, sight unseen
IC may simply be a complicated way of explaining an otherwise simple logical argument, the likes of which is irrefutable. This is why ID has and will stand any examination or test of time. Its logical, applicable and very demonstratable.
That is if you could only understand what constitues evidence. Tell me plainly dude can you?
Good day mate
Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot
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Message 372 of 377 (608777)
03-13-2011 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 369 by Granny Magda
03-13-2011 1:51 PM


Re: Design Evidence
A general summary;
I don't think that any creationist participant in this thread has provided any positive evidence of design. Probably the person who has come closest to doing so would be Slevesque, with his advocacy of Irreducible Complexity. I see two major problems with that argument.
As I beg Percys indulgence to offer a summation of sorts, the type of evidence needed has been indirectly implied in this thread. It has been indirectly implied that while we may not see a designer and we cannot see a designer designing, that is not necessary for order, to be ACTUAL solid evidence of design
All that is required is that order exists the same as the principles of gravity exist for us to observe and evaluate its effects and ultimately its valid conclusions. The "evidence" exists in what is valid and demonstratable
The question is not is order evidence of a DESIGNER, but is order evidence of DESIGN and ofcourse it is from every possible angle, physically, logically and evidentially. there is no other category where it can be scrutinized or evaluated
Anyone beliving that a valid "problem" exists with such reasoning or its conclusions is free to demonstrate otherwise
Dawn Bertot
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