Abortion questions...?

Okay, so an abortion to protect the life and health of the mother is acceptable.Next question.Should cruel and unusual punishment be allowed?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Yes. Of course, if there should be some way to save the foetus and the mother, this should be done. Define 'cruel', define 'unusual'. And give a concrete example.

Again, that is quibbling. A concrete example.Should someone who was raped be forced to live her life raising the child that resulted from that rape?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Yeah, from the states. I've cheched your links, and they don't say in any of it how they gathered the info specifically for the 2005 numbers, they just state 1.21mil as a matter of fact without showing how they got it.If you can quote something specific, maybe it will help your argument. Bare links won't help, even though I did search it. Found nothing. I'll go with the Center for Disease Control's number. First, that is for 2003, not '05. Second, that link is for "Legal Abortion Worldwide: Incidence and Recent Trends," not to show how they gathered the info pertaining to the '05 abortion numbers. Right, through no choice of theirs. Then you are not a pro-lifer and I have no issue with you. Why are you going on the defensive if I wasn't talking about you? Ok, so you speculate that the soul enters when the egg is fertilized. Is that a fact we can use or is this your belief?Also, a human does NOT exist, what exists is a zygote, that is all.A zygote can only become an embryo, but only if it attaches itself to the uterus and develops a placenta. It is no more human than the sperm was, and it must go through a process just to make it to embryo, as the sperm did. No, not at all. See above for the correct process. Of course. On the question of the soul you are guilded by your faith and I won't attempt to challenge it, only to ask for actual proof.However, on your comments about the zygote, since it is scientifically evidenced, there is no need for you to wing it when the proper evidence is available.- Oni

No not at all ...An ectopic pregancy will kill the mother if nothing is done. However, in some cases c-section plus incubation can save the foetus. In those cases, you should save it instead of just killing it with an abortion procedure. No, she would not have to live her life raising the child.In any case, a child is never a ''punishment''.

Possibly, we will see. Again, it is simply an assertion that a child is never a "punishment".So in the case of a woman who has been raped, is an abortion reasonable?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

And what do you do with the fetus after that? Then who would? The prison system?- Oni

Not a fallacy at all. I am trying to understand where you stand. You said foetus, but evidently you meant zygote and everything thereafter? Is that what you meant when you used the word "foetus". It is important to speak clearly and to say what you mean. You should not expect people to understand what you mean if you do not speak clearly and/or misspeak.So did you mean foetus or any zygote and what comes after the zygote?

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

Ahh.....and who would pay for this procedure? Not sure if you are aware of the cost of a c-section in the states...but it is a hell of a lot more than an abortion, let alone the method you are talking about where this set of cells needs an incubation period before it is even a viable human life. Who would raise the "child"?

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"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

You may want to check the medical literature on that. It is extremely rare. Most women would die if they kept an ectopic pregnancy to the point that the baby was viable outside of the womb.If you want to present evidence to support your assertion I would love to read it.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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An ectopic pregancy will kill the mother if nothing is done. However, in some cases c-section plus incubation can save the foetus. In those cases, you should save it instead of just killing it with an abortion procedure.

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In ectopic pregnancies the embryo or fetus will usually burst the organ containing it.
Been there, done that! Mine was 4 weeks old when it blew out the tube. Very rarely has an abdominal pregnancy survived to viability and delivery. (As of 2008 about 109 globally.)So in the case of an ectopic pregnancy, the egg is doomed as soon as it attaches to the wrong area. If the situation is left to continue naturally the embryo or fetus will die as will the mother.We don't have the means to save and replant an egg or fetus that started out wrong. We also don't know if the egg or fetus would develop normally. Maybe they will in the future.In my case the fetus aborted itself, when the tube blew; and almost took me with it. At week 4, as you can see in the picture, there isn't much one can do with an embryo.PS: Never do this on a golf course. It really screws up your game and they don't refund green fees. Edited by purpledawn, : Added abdominal pregnancy numbers.

You are the one redefining our position. Quite often you have implied that supporting legalization is the same as supporting the abortion itself.

Every child should be given a chance to live, even if the starting situation isn't ideal. Being raised in an orphanage, or a foster home, doesn't mean he will go in prison ....

When I say foetus, I mean foetus. And if I say ''the foetus is a human being'', it does not mean I do or do not think the zygote is or is not a human being.In any case, my position on this was discussed earlier in the discussion, since I said that I would put the line at the 100th cell division, when they start to specialize into the various types of cells needed.

Of course, we are talking about the society of the future, the one we would like to build. And I would have a free-health care system. Monetary reasons should never be the reason a human life isn't saved. Foster family. Orphanage. I think there are a couple alternatives.Of course, as I said, none of them are ideal situations, but I think that if we really wanted to, a lot of progress could be made into this.