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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Actually that's pretty good evidence that the darker area is down to geology - the upper strata are simply of dark-coloured rock.
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
PaulK writes: Actually that's pretty good evidence that the darker area is down to geology - the upper strata are simply of dark-coloured rock. If you scroll around and zoom in and out I think you'll become convinced that texture, shade and reduced angle of incidence with light from the sun are largely responsible for the darker regions. There do seem to be two colors of rock, light brown and a darker grayish brown:
In any case, all mountains in the entire region have these light and dark shades. No mountain individually stands out as darkened, and certainly not in a way that resembles being burned. --Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Plus, there are many very natural explanations for blackened mountain tops. One of the places I really enjoy visiting is Black Mountain. North Carolina.
The mountain top does appear black, even though the rocks themselves are a light gray. The reason is a moss or lichen that grows on the rock. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: In fact I did scroll around a bit and did consider the possibility that lighting and angles could account for the difference. I concluded that it probably did not account for all of it, and there did seem to be darker and lighter rock, as you say, with the darker tending to be on top. Thus "pretty good evidence".
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Another factor is that the rocks of lighter color seem to be the more horizontal surfaces while the rocks of the darker color appear to be the more vertical surfaces. That the darker surfaces appear to have a rougher texture, consistent with stratified layers, also makes it likely that they're more vertical.
--Percy
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: I note that you have had more than two weeks, and there is still no sign of this new evidence you claim to have.
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Trae Member (Idle past 4335 days) Posts: 442 From: Fremont, CA, USA Joined: |
Each day would be millions of more holes.
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Trae Member (Idle past 4335 days) Posts: 442 From: Fremont, CA, USA Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: You have yet to show any evidence of an ancient highway up the Western shoreline of the Gulf of Aqaba. We're still waiting for that. LOL. The strawman Roman Empire didn't exist to build any highways for Moses's time. Via Traiana Nova - Wikipedia The problem Buz is that you haven't shown any evidence for the pillar's history, you only hope it is a pillar dating to Moses' time (whenever that might be). With the above link we know that there was a road which normally would have some single pillars (the road makers were pillars) leading to places which presumably had other pillars.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Trae writes: Buzsaw writes: You have yet to show any evidence of an ancient highway up the Western shoreline of the Gulf of Aqaba. We're still waiting for that. LOL. The strawman Roman Empire didn't exist to build any highways for Moses's time. Via Traiana Nova - Wikipedia The problem Buz is that you haven't shown any evidence for the pillar's history, you only hope it is a pillar dating to Moses' time (whenever that might be). With the above link we know that there was a road which normally would have some single pillars (the road makers were pillars) leading to places which presumably had other pillars. Your road is made of straw, man. Your link map is nowhere near the Nuweiba region. Let's see a road route leading down the Western coast to Nuweiba Beach. Then we'll talk.
The images in this link give you a better idea of the terrain, things about the columns etc. Could they h ave been entrapped on this beach. Of course they could have. Btw, the columns were not one of my high evidences. They were thrown in for good measure
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buz writes: Your road is made of straw, man. Your link map is nowhere near the Nuweiba region. Let's see a road route leading down the Western coast to Nuweiba Beach. And as explained there are two issues here. First, from Aqaba south the main road WAS the water. The Gulf of Aqaba was a major transportation link. Second, there is still no evidence presented that Nuweiba Beach is in any way related to the Exodus myth. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
Nuweiba is a non-starter. It's on the wrong side of Sinai. It's much, much too far away. There's no conceivable reason for the children of Israel to have gone that way. Your link map is nowhere near the Nuweiba region. "I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
ringo writes: Nuweiba is a non-starter. It's on the wrong side of Sinai. It's much, much too far away. There's no conceivable reason for the children of Israel to have gone that way. The Biblical record says Sinai is in Arabia. The corroborating evidence does not take you to the traditional Mt Sinai. You need to show some corroborating evidence for justification of the traditional Mt Sinai sizing up to the Biblical record. The depth of the sea near the traditional Sinai is no where near as shallow as Nuweiba. It's very deep, as is most of the Red Sea. There is a conceivable reason for them to go there. Jehovah wanted to destroy Pharaoh's army so as to rid Israel of his threat from then on all of the way to the eventual Promised Land. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
The Biblical record indicates a short period of time between the Children of Israel leaving Goshen and Pharaoh's army beginning its pursuit:
You need to show some corroborating evidence for justification of the traditional Mt Sinai sizing up to the Biblical record. quote:It would have taken weeks to march the children of Israel to Nuweiba; it's just ludicrous to pretend that the Bible suggests any such time frame. The crossing would have had to be somewhere near Suez to fit the Biblical account. Buzsaw writes:
God could destroy Pharaoh's army anywhere. Dragging them to hell and gone across Sinai makes no sense at all. Jehovah wanted to destroy Pharaoh's army so as to rid Israel of his threat from then on all of the way to the eventual Promised Land. "I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Buz, who are you hoping to fool ? Everyone following the discussion knows that the traditional location is "in Arabia". I know it, you know it, Ringo knows it. So why waste time trying to deceive the ignorant instead of engaging in honest discussion ?
quote: Really ? According to Wikipedia:
Approximately 40% of the Red Sea is quite shallow (under 100 m/330 ft), and about 25% is under 50 m (164 ft) deep. About 15% of the Red Sea is over 1,000 m (3,300 ft) depth that forms the deep axial trough.
For the Gulf of Suez (separating Egypt from Sinai) we have:
Average depth 40 ft (12 m) Max. depth 60 ft (18 m) From Lysimachus' chart we know that the route has to go across an area at least 850m deep (even avoiding the two "deeps" in the area). So in reality, much of the Red Sea is shallow, the Gulf of Suez is especially shallow and Nuweiba is near the one of the deeper portions. Which is pretty much the opposite of what you said. And we're still waiting for you to provide that wonderful new evidence that the coral formations really do contain chariot wheels ! Come on Buz, it's got to be better than deceptions and falsehoods !
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Trae Member (Idle past 4335 days) Posts: 442 From: Fremont, CA, USA Joined: |
Buz,
If Solomon erected the pillars then they're not evidence of the Exodus, only more evidence that the Jews believed there was an Exodus. Your link seems to say one of the markers was at Aqaba, is that not where the road in the map goes? According to your link there are two columns, you haven't provided what archeologist say about the columns, you haven't provided even a photograph of supposed inscriptions, you haven't provided even a single link showing that Jews made such columns. I posted the road to show you that the Romans could and did create roads though mountainous terrain in that area. While I understand you believe you’re throwing the columns in for good measure, that’s highly problematic. What you seem to be saying is that supporting evidence doesn’t really have to be correct. It is almost as if you’re trying to create a new category of evidence which might be called, ‘wishful evidence’. You appear to be falling victim to a sort of Gish-gallop way of thinking. Where one feels that if they have enough pieces of bad evidence this somehow constitutes actual proof.
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