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Message 7 of 88 (597715)
12-23-2010 4:22 PM 		Reply to: Message 6 by Omnivorous
12-23-2010 4:10 PM

Re: Unsharpened, not dull
Omni writes:
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I'd say the religious are not just "being stubborn and deluded on purpose" and "they cannot grasp reality and evidence easily"--not because their native intelligence is low, but because their minds are shackled by the beliefs that prevent their development.
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Like Georges Lematre and Greg Mendel?
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Message 49 of 88 (597828)
12-24-2010 1:17 PM 		Reply to: Message 48 by Blue Jay
12-24-2010 12:33 PM

education and religion
Historically certain religions seem to have placed an emphasis and premium on education in the classic sense as opposed to indoctrination. Jews, the Episcopal Church, Quakers, Mormons would definitely fall into that category. Some branches of the Roman Catholic church such as the Dominicans, Sisters of Notre Dame and the Jesuits are also well known for a long tradition of excellent schools.
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Message 51 of 88 (597830)
12-24-2010 2:52 PM 		Reply to: Message 50 by frako
12-24-2010 2:04 PM

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And it would not surprise me that Jews get a high score on any iq test they do emphasize education very much. And they do not see their religion incompatible with science like evolution.
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But that is true of almost all religions frako.
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Message 53 of 88 (597832)
12-24-2010 3:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 52 by frako
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So you are saying that the same traditions of teaching ones children is in all religions i would like to see some evidence for that.
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What i ment to say is that parrents of those religions know how important education is and that it is easier to learn when you are young so the jewish children have a "more used" brain compared to other children with other beliefs like there is no need to teach them evolution, no need to teach them higher math .....
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No, I did not say that all religions are the same. But not all religions believe "there is no need to teach them evolution, no need to teach them higher math" either.
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If you look at the worlds great centers of learning, you will find that many of them are either directly church related or church supported. There are also religions, as I mentioned above, that are well known for the quality of education found in their schools. As I said back in Message 49:
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Historically certain religions seem to have placed an emphasis and premium on education in the classic sense as opposed to indoctrination. Jews, the Episcopal Church, Quakers, Mormons would definitely fall into that category. Some branches of the Roman Catholic church such as the Dominicans, Sisters of Notre Dame and the Jesuits are also well known for a long tradition of excellent schools.
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I think you are simply making way too much from a few unrelated statistics.
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12-24-2010 3:31 PM 		Reply to: Message 54 by frako
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Actualy math does not lie
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Actually, statistics lie all the time. That is one of the beautiful and useful things about statistics.
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But if the statistics make you happy, then I too am happy.
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Message 73 of 88 (599486)
01-07-2011 6:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 72 by slevesque
01-07-2011 6:07 PM

Do beliefs even get mentioned?
I can't remember the subject of someones religion even coming up in my whole working life.
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01-09-2011 3:16 PM 		Reply to: Message 81 by slevesque
01-09-2011 3:11 PM

Re: Do beliefs even get mentioned?
I think this is more a problem of memory then that it never happened.
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Possibly, but I cannot tell you what religion any person I ever worked with endorsed except on who was a Mormon and even there, it only came up when we all went out to a bar after work one day.
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How can it not happen ? A person's relative dies, a worldwide catastrophy happens, someone watch a scary movie about demons last night, a popular scientist claims aliens exist, etc. etc.
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I can't quite imagine how any of those could or would lead to discussing religion.
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01-09-2011 3:33 PM 		Reply to: Message 83 by slevesque
01-09-2011 3:24 PM

Re: Do beliefs even get mentioned?
Really ?
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Someone dies ---) life after death ?
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Catastrophy ----) problem of evil ?
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Scary demon movie ----) supernatural beings exist ?
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Alien life -----) Is earth/humans special or not ?
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Yup, not only would those relationships come up in a work situation, I can't much imagine them coming up in any situation other than as a joke.
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Life after death is something not one of use will ever have a clue about until ... we die. And it is just a maybe.
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I can't imagine anyone other than a nutcase conflating a catastrophe and evil.
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Scary demon movies are funny.
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Alien life? Give me a break. Even without aliens why would anyone think humans are special?
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Stuff like that was fun to speculate about back in middle school but even then I don't remember religion really being a factor.
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Message 87 of 88 (599680)
01-09-2011 7:08 PM 		Reply to: Message 86 by slevesque
01-09-2011 6:59 PM

Re: Do beliefs even get mentioned?
You do realize that natural catastrophe's are at the center stage of any discussion around the problem of evil ? And that pretty much all thinking person worth reading has touched that subject ? From Epicurus to Dawkins ?
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Unless they were all nutcases, or joking ...
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Not all nutcases, Epicurus for example was just ignorant.
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If you can't see why humans, or all biological systems, could be considered special if we knew nothing like it were present anywhere in the universe, then I can'gt help you.
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That's fine, I did not ask for help. You do know that "humans" and "all biological systems" are two different things. And why are they any more "special" that mountains or glaciers or planets or galaxies or ... ?
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And yet some very intelligent and educated people work on these things all around the world, write books about them.
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And write fiction and do lots of things. The issue was whether the subject of someones religion came up in most work environments, whether beliefs even get mentioned in normal work environments.
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They might, I simply can't remember more than the one case I mentioned above in about 50+ years of working.
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