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Author Topic:   Bush's Shia Islamic War Vs Obama's Sunni War
Buzsaw
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Message 16 of 111 (599581)
01-09-2011 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Dr Adequate
01-08-2011 11:23 PM


Shariah Law In Afghanistan
Shariah law in Afghanistan appears to be in force while our billions are going to train and build up this totalitarian brutal regime.
Islamic terrorists behead in the name of the Koran and Islamic nations like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia support killing apostates to Christianity
Despite the vast numbers of international military forces in Afghanistan and huge economic support from Western nations, it is still a crime to leave the religion of Islam in Afghanistan. Therefore, International Christian Concern (ICC) is trying to raise the awareness of this brutal reality and for Shoaib Assadullah he faces the threat of death or twenty years in prison within the following week.
Therefore, Afghanistan is a clear failure and Islamic clerics, political leaders, the judiciary, and ordinary Muslims, support Islamic Sharia law and killing apostates and other draconian laws. Given this, then what was all the Western aid spent on and how can you have a democratic and plural society when the rule of law is based on Islam?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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anglagard
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Message 17 of 111 (599583)
01-09-2011 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by jar
01-08-2011 10:40 PM


Re: On Shi'a and Sunni
jar writes:
Buz, Iraq under Saddam Hussein was secular, the only Islamic middle eastern nation that was NOT run under Sharia Law.
I beg to differ. My understanding is that both Iraq and Syria were under control of the secular Baath Party movement at the time.
From History of Syria - Wikipedia
quote:
The authoritarian regime was not without its critics, though most were quickly murdered. A serious challenge arose in the late 1970s, however, from fundamentalist Sunni Muslims, who reject the basic values of the secular Baath program and object to rule by the Alawis, whom they consider heretical.
Of course that kinda bones Buz' argument, no surprise.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
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This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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Buzsaw
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Message 18 of 111 (599585)
01-09-2011 12:18 AM
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01-08-2011 10:19 PM


Spelling Check Can Get You In Dodo
Coragyps, spell check changed the spelling to shea from shia. I'll go back and correct.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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Buzsaw
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Message 19 of 111 (599586)
01-09-2011 12:27 AM


Edit Problem
I'll have to fix spelling another time. The system is not letting me edit messages.

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Message 20 of 111 (599588)
01-09-2011 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Buzsaw
01-09-2011 12:27 AM


Re: Edit Problem
Yes, good idea, fix the spelling and ignore all the substantive points and relevant questions people have asked. Why change your strategy now? It's been so effective up to this point.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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anglagard
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Message 21 of 111 (599591)
01-09-2011 12:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
01-08-2011 7:09 PM


Final Solution
Buzsaw writes:
If these wars amount to Bush's Shea Muslim War in Iraq vs Obama's Sunni war in Afghanistan, what ever are US forces doing, occupying and building up the armies of either of these religious theocratic despotic nations where Islam, by law is the predominating religion? Other religions need apply as infidels, at the risk of restrictions, persecution and/or death.
So you hate Obama, you hate all Muslims, in fact you pretty much hate everyone who is not you, So what is your final solution?
Remember, if all your enemies must be exterminated, Auschwitz could only exterminate 4 million Jews, gypsies, gays, disabled, and Russians in the four or so year's time of its existence.
There are over 1.5 billion Muslims.
Even if what you assume is right, what is one to do?
And if you say it is my problem because you are too old, perhaps you should read Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners.
If your solution is something other than extermination, as you accuse others of doing, I'm all ears.
Do you propose assassination, or praise those who do? Like in Arizona?
Buz, please reread the NT instead of assuming whatever preacher says is there is gospel. And stop being thrilled at the prospect of everyone dying a horrible death like in the misinterpretation of Revelations as some kind of catharsis.
Sick.
Edited by anglagard, : added a useful 'as' (I'm gonna get it, but some crap just pisses me off)

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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Dr Adequate
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Message 22 of 111 (599596)
01-09-2011 3:13 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Buzsaw
01-09-2011 12:13 AM


Re: Shariah Law In Afghanistan
Shariah law in Afghanistan appears to be in force while our billions are going to train and build up this totalitarian brutal regime.
Please cite the specific law that says that someone with a Sunni Muslim father is a Sunni Muslim, as you claimed.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 23 of 111 (599599)
01-09-2011 4:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
01-08-2011 7:09 PM


In other words, Obama is acting like a U.S. president.

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jar
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Message 24 of 111 (599610)
01-09-2011 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
01-08-2011 7:09 PM


Buz, you are making no sense.
Buz writes:
Obama wants to establish diplomatic relations with Sunni Syria.
Syria is no more a Sunni nation than the US is a Christian nation, thank God. The largest religious group is Sunni but there are also Christians, Kurds, Jews and Druse as well as other smaller religions.
Buz writes:
Islamic Shariah law mandates that our President Obama is a Sunni Muslim, having a Sunni Muslim father. To opt out requires the death penalty under Sunni Shariah law. In that the Islamic Sunni fundies are not calling for Obama's death as an apostate, could it be that they regard our president as a stealth Muslim for Allah?
Some, if not all of these Shariah Sunni nation's leaders have had private visits from President Obama which were secret meetings. The leaders of most of these nations regard Obama as a Shia Muslim.
Too funny. So you are saying that Obama is a Shi'a Sunni apostate Muslim. Can you really not see how utterly stupid those assertions are?
And again, it is pretty clear that you have not read the Qur'an any more than the Bible. The Qur'an says that apostasy will be punished by God and that only when someone leaves the religion in order to actually hurt the faith may they be killed. And that was during a time of war.
And I have asked you before, even if Obama was a Muslim, where is the problem?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Buzsaw
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Message 25 of 111 (599615)
01-09-2011 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by jar
01-09-2011 9:35 AM


Re: Buz, you are making no sense.
Jar writes:
Syria is no more a Sunni nation than the US is a Christian nation, thank God. The largest religious group is Sunni but there are also Christians, Kurds, Jews and Druse as well as other smaller religions.
85 to 90 percent of the population are Sunni Muslims. The next largest are the Shia Muslims. There is a significant Christian minority.
It was probably somewhat of an over statement on my part to call it a Sunni Muslim nation, though relative to population and policy, there is a sense in which it is, just as the majority of Americans likely consider this nation to be a Christian nation.
Jar writes:
Buzsaw writes:
Islamic Shariah law mandates that our President Obama is a Sunni Muslim, having a Sunni Muslim father. To opt out requires the death penalty under Sunni Shariah law. In that the Islamic Sunni fundies are not calling for Obama's death as an apostate, could it be that they regard our president as a stealth Muslim for Allah?
Some, if not all of these Shariah Sunni nation's leaders have had private visits from President Obama which were secret meetings. The leaders of most of these nations regard Obama as a Shia Muslim.
Too funny. So you are saying that Obama is a Shi'a Sunni apostate Muslim. Can you really not see how utterly stupid those assertions are?
What I meant to say is that these nations regard Obama as a Sunni Muslim. When the edit option is fixed in Free For All, I'll make some corrections.
Jar writes:
And again, it is pretty clear that you have not read the Qur'an any more than the Bible. The Qur'an says that apostasy will be punished by God and that only when someone leaves the religion in order to actually hurt the faith may they be killed. And that was during a time of war.
Are you aware that Muslims regard the Hadith and the Sunnahs almost as equally authoritative as Christians regard the New Testament? These books were written by Mohammed's close disciples who took over the leadership of Islam after his death.
Jar writes:
And I have asked you before, even if Obama was a Muslim, where is the problem?
The problem would be where his allegiance would be so far as policy, relative to Israel and relative to Islamic law, the Constitution, etc. Then there's the matter of deception. If he is a Muslim, most likely he would have never been elected, given the track record of Islamic leaders in the majority of Islamic nations.

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jar
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Message 26 of 111 (599616)
01-09-2011 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Buzsaw
01-09-2011 10:27 AM


Re: Buz, you are making no sense.
Buz writes:
85 to 90 percent of the population are Sunni Muslims.
No Buz, about 74% of the population that stated a religious preference said they were Sunni. Religious freedom is written into the Syrian constitution and proselytizing is discouraged. That includes Muslim efforts to convert Jews or Christians.
Buz writes:
What I meant to say is that these nations regard Obama as a Sunni Muslim. When the edit option is fixed in Free For All, I'll make some corrections.
Yet even if that were true you provide no evidence that supports your assertion and it still makes no sense if YOU consider him to be an apostate?
Buz writes:
Are you aware that Muslims regard the Hadith and the Sunnahs almost as equally authoritative as Christians regard the New Testament? These books were written by Mohammed's close disciples who took over the leadership of Islam after his death.
Yes and I have actually read both, many times. Again, apostasy is something that will be judged by God after death. It is only some fundamentalists that think apostasy should be punished during life.
Buz writes:
The problem would be where his allegiance would be so far as policy, relative to Israel and relative to Islamic law, the Constitution, etc.
The US president should have no allegiance to Israel; it should be treated as any other nation. In fact, I wish it were treated as the terrorist nation it is.
The US president should have no allegiance to any religious law including Christian religious laws, and guess what, our Constitution is still there. Whether the president is Muslim or Christian, religion cannot be a legal factor or consideration in decisions.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 27 of 111 (599619)
01-09-2011 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Buzsaw
01-09-2011 10:27 AM


Re: Buz, you are making no sense.
What I meant to say is that these nations regard Obama as a Sunni Muslim.
Where Buz and 95% of his teabagger kith and kin appear to this observer to regard Mr. Obama as a Negro.
The whole premise of this thread is so astonishingly full of shit that I think I will hold my nose and boil my keyboard.

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anglagard
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Message 28 of 111 (599621)
01-09-2011 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Coragyps
01-09-2011 11:23 AM


Re: Buz, you are making no sense.
Coragyps writes:
Where Buz and 95% of his teabagger kith and kin appear to this observer to regard Mr. Obama as a Negro.
That pretty much sums it up IMO, being an uppity black is an unforgivable sin according to fundies.
The whole premise of this thread is so astonishingly full of shit that I think I will hold my nose and boil my keyboard.
Don't blame the keyboard, blame the sinner.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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Theodoric
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Message 29 of 111 (599624)
01-09-2011 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
01-08-2011 7:09 PM


Iraq and Iran are predominantly Shea Muslim, now that Saddam Hussein (Sunni Muslim) and his Shea regime has been defeated in Iraq by the Bush Administration. (Bush's Shea Muslim war)
This makes no sense. Saddam's Shi'a regime? Do you have any clue what Shi'a and Sunni even means.
Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor, mentor and friend for 20 years was formerly a Nation of islam member
Evidence please. Even if this is true, why are you not grateful he has seen the light and is a follower of christ. Why is he not an acceptable christian to you?
Finally, It must be very tiring and unhealthy to have this much hate. How do you do it?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 30 of 111 (599625)
01-09-2011 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Buzsaw
01-09-2011 10:27 AM


Re: Buz, you are making no sense.
The problem would be where his allegiance would be so far as policy, relative to Israel and relative to biblical law, the Constitution, etc.
Gee, one little change and we shouldn't elect christians.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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