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Topic: Bush's Shia Islamic War Vs Obama's Sunni War
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jar
Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 6 of 111 (599558)
01-08-2011 7:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
01-08-2011 7:09 PM
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been down this rocky road before.
Buz writes: Obama has worked to end our bomber production and civil defense. Do you have support for that assertion this time? {edit added as a test} Edited by jar, : test edit
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jar
Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 11 of 111 (599568)
01-08-2011 8:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Buzsaw
01-08-2011 8:20 PM
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Re: been down this rocky road before.
Too funny. Where do you get this nonsense? Truth.
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The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Program was supposed to produce the bedrock fighter for the next generation of American military aviation. Like the F-4 Phantom II before it, the F-35 was intended to become the principle multirole combat aircraft of the U.S. Air Force, U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps, providing all three services with a fighter packing the latest technology. However, the program has been plagued by delays and is now under the threat of the budget ax, as Defense Secretary Robert Gates put the Marine's vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) version of the aircraft on a two-year "probation." Procurement of the Air Force and Navy versions of the plane are to be slowed down as well.
The F-22 has a production run of 187 planes at over $300 million each. Northrup Grumman just announced yesterday that they reached a new milestone with F-18 production and their stock went up. Try to get the real facts next time instead of just believing the nonsense sites.
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jar
Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 13 of 111 (599573)
01-08-2011 10:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
01-08-2011 7:09 PM
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On Shi'a and Sunni
Buz writes: Iraq and Iran are predominantly Shea Muslim, now that Saddam Hussein (Sunni Muslim) and his Shea regime has been defeated in Iraq by the Bush Administration. (Bush's Shea Muslim war) Buz, Iraq under Saddam Hussein was secular, the only Islamic middle eastern nation that was NOT run under Sharia Law. In fact he banished all of the Islamic Courts except those that dealt with personal injury cases. In addition, read what you write. It is contradictory to claim that he was a Sunni and created a Shi'a regime. You do know that Shi'a and Sunni are two different Islamic sects don't you? Edited by jar, : fix subtitle
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jar
Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 24 of 111 (599610)
01-09-2011 9:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
01-08-2011 7:09 PM
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Buz, you are making no sense.
Buz writes: Obama wants to establish diplomatic relations with Sunni Syria. Syria is no more a Sunni nation than the US is a Christian nation, thank God. The largest religious group is Sunni but there are also Christians, Kurds, Jews and Druse as well as other smaller religions.
Buz writes: Islamic Shariah law mandates that our President Obama is a Sunni Muslim, having a Sunni Muslim father. To opt out requires the death penalty under Sunni Shariah law. In that the Islamic Sunni fundies are not calling for Obama's death as an apostate, could it be that they regard our president as a stealth Muslim for Allah? Some, if not all of these Shariah Sunni nation's leaders have had private visits from President Obama which were secret meetings. The leaders of most of these nations regard Obama as a Shia Muslim. Too funny. So you are saying that Obama is a Shi'a Sunni apostate Muslim. Can you really not see how utterly stupid those assertions are? And again, it is pretty clear that you have not read the Qur'an any more than the Bible. The Qur'an says that apostasy will be punished by God and that only when someone leaves the religion in order to actually hurt the faith may they be killed. And that was during a time of war. And I have asked you before, even if Obama was a Muslim, where is the problem?
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Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 26 of 111 (599616)
01-09-2011 10:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 25 by Buzsaw
01-09-2011 10:27 AM
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Re: Buz, you are making no sense.
Buz writes: 85 to 90 percent of the population are Sunni Muslims. No Buz, about 74% of the population that stated a religious preference said they were Sunni. Religious freedom is written into the Syrian constitution and proselytizing is discouraged. That includes Muslim efforts to convert Jews or Christians.
Buz writes: What I meant to say is that these nations regard Obama as a Sunni Muslim. When the edit option is fixed in Free For All, I'll make some corrections. Yet even if that were true you provide no evidence that supports your assertion and it still makes no sense if YOU consider him to be an apostate?
Buz writes: Are you aware that Muslims regard the Hadith and the Sunnahs almost as equally authoritative as Christians regard the New Testament? These books were written by Mohammed's close disciples who took over the leadership of Islam after his death. Yes and I have actually read both, many times. Again, apostasy is something that will be judged by God after death. It is only some fundamentalists that think apostasy should be punished during life.
Buz writes: The problem would be where his allegiance would be so far as policy, relative to Israel and relative to Islamic law, the Constitution, etc. The US president should have no allegiance to Israel; it should be treated as any other nation. In fact, I wish it were treated as the terrorist nation it is. The US president should have no allegiance to any religious law including Christian religious laws, and guess what, our Constitution is still there. Whether the president is Muslim or Christian, religion cannot be a legal factor or consideration in decisions.
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jar
Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 34 of 111 (599647)
01-09-2011 4:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
01-08-2011 7:09 PM
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Freedom of religion in the current Iraqi constitution.
Buz claims:
Buz writes: If these wars amount to Bush's Shea Muslim War in Iraq vs Obama's Sunni war in Afghanistan, what ever are US forces doing, occupying and building up the armies of either of these religious theocratic despotic nations where Islam, by law is the predominating religion? Other religions need apply as infidels, at the risk of restrictions, persecution and/or death. BUT as usual, the reality is quite different.
Freedom of religion is covered in Articles 41, 42 and 43 of the Iraq Constitution.
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Article 41: Iraqis are free in their commitment to their personal status according to their religions, sects, beliefs, or choices, and this shall be regulated by law. Article 42: Each individual shall have the freedom of thought, conscience, and belief. Article 43: First: The followers of all religions and sects are free in the:
A- Practice of religious rites, including the Husseini rituals.
B- Management of religious endowments (waqf), their affairs, and their religious institutions, and this shall be regulated by law. Second: The State shall guarantee freedom of worship and the protection of places of worship.
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jar
Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 36 of 111 (599688)
01-09-2011 7:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 35 by Buzsaw
01-09-2011 7:42 PM
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Re: Freedom of religion in the current Iraqi constitution.
The reality is that you are once again trying to change the subject in the hope that people won't see that what you post is again wrong. You claimed that :
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If these wars amount to Bush's Shea Muslim War in Iraq vs Obama's Sunni war in Afghanistan, what ever are US forces doing, occupying and building up the armies of either of these religious theocratic despotic nations where Islam, by law is the predominating religion? Other religions need apply as infidels, at the risk of restrictions, persecution and/or death.
And I responded by posting the Articles from the current Iraq Constitution that guarantees religious freedom. The problem in Iraq is the the US drove out the secular government. We broke it, we bought it. Until we can help THEM rebuild a government that is based on THEIR laws, until we fix what we broke, it will remain a basically lawless society. Now you can keep trying to change the subject but please, stop repeating things that have been refuted.
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Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 45 of 111 (599773)
01-10-2011 2:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 43 by Coragyps
01-10-2011 2:11 PM
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Re: Children & Religion
But Buz is right which is why Jesus and Paul and Peter and Mark and John are all considered Apostates.
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jar
Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 48 of 111 (599802)
01-10-2011 5:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 47 by dwise1
01-10-2011 3:33 PM
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Re: Children & Religion
I think you will find the tradition Buz mentions most common in some fundamentalist Christian cults where the Man is the Head of the Family. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin and ungrammer grammer
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jar
Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 74 of 111 (600702)
01-16-2011 4:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 73 by Buzsaw
01-16-2011 3:57 PM
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attending a mosque?
Come on Buz, get serious. I have attended services in a Mosque, and a Synagogue, and in Buddhist Temples, and in Greek Orthodox Cathedrals. What possible connection does that have to someones religions or beliefs? And again, if Obama was a Muslim, so what?
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jar
Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 79 of 111 (600730)
01-16-2011 7:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 78 by Buzsaw
01-16-2011 7:43 PM
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Re: attending a mosque?
Buzsaw writes: bluescat48 writes: I agree with this question. To add to that, where in the Constitution does it say a Muslim or for that matter a Hindu, Confucianist, Buddhist, Diest, Agnostic or Atheist can't be president? It has mostly to do with honesty and forthrightness. Likely, were the truth known, he would not have been elected. Why? Because Islamic doctrine and law as practiced in most majority Muslim nations are incompatible with things in the Constitution like free exercise of religion and speech, etc. Which why your position is so silly, all you can point to is as expected, that you think the US voter is totally ignorant of what the powers of the President are and how the US political system operates! In the US we have a Constitution and distributed power so that the President is limited in what he can do. So once again Buz, why would it matter if he was a Muslim? Do you have anything to offer other than claiming that the voters are totally ignorant of the US political system?
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jar
Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 83 of 111 (600742)
01-16-2011 9:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 82 by Buzsaw
01-16-2011 9:17 PM
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Re: Obama's Religion
Buz writes: Hamas would not support a professing Christian supporter of Israel. Yet once again, your very own links refute your position; Hamas did support a professing Christian supporter of Israel. But once again, why should the US support Israel?
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jar
Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 86 of 111 (600751)
01-16-2011 11:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 85 by Buzsaw
01-16-2011 11:00 PM
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Re: Obama's Religion
Sheeple is a term appropriate for use by Elementary school children, but once kiddies get into Middle School it just garners chuckles.
Buz writes: Biblically, nations supportive of Israel will be blessed by Jehovah and those not, cursed. That has held true throughout history. Now that we're reneging, disaster after disaster has plagued our nation. Once again you simply show that you have no idea of what is actually in the Bible, that the Nation of Israel was often condemned and abandoned by the God you call Jehovah. Your source itself says that Hamas support Obama and YOU even admit that he is a professing Christian, and you have yet to present any evidence that the US has not continued to support the modern nation of Israel. Israel is a terrorist nation and is still occupying territory that is not theirs.
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jar
Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 98 of 111 (600834)
01-17-2011 12:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 97 by Buzsaw
01-17-2011 12:05 PM
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Re: Obama's Drive
Buz writes: You aren't aware of how Obama snubbed Israel's Prime Minister Netanyahu with the cold shoulder and bowed to King Faisal bin Abdul Aziz of Saudi Arabia? You see a problem there?
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jar
Member (Idle past 97 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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McCain
bluescat48 writes: They didn't "support" Obama; they expressed a preference. In Canada, we couldn't care less what some foreigners think about our elections. I assume it's the same in the US, so Hamas' preference is irrelevant. I would not doubt that a large % of the voters who voted for Obama, did not actually support him rather voted for him to vote against McCain/Palin ie: the lessor of 2 evils. I could even have supported McCain if he had stood up and said that there was no place in the Republican Party for Palin and any of the Religious Right.
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