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Author Topic:   Mutational Problem
Jon
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Message 5 of 20 (599255)
01-06-2011 3:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taq
01-05-2011 4:54 PM


Irrelevant Argument
Let's put aside Plastered's Plaisted's obvious ignorance of all things anthropological and biological and assume that there is some problems with the rates of mutations producing certain changes. Even if true, this does not falsify the theory of evolution, despite drawing our proposed models for that evolution into question.
If we found evidence that humans were descended of T-rexes and that flies were are closing living relative, the theory of evolution would still not be falsified.
This should be sufficient to refute Plaistedhis argument is irrelevant.
Jon

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Jon
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Message 8 of 20 (599280)
01-06-2011 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Dr Adequate
01-06-2011 4:31 AM


Re: Irrelevant Argument
The model (genetics) is the theory. And something would be falsified. Either the theory would be wrong or the dating methods.
Obviously something would be falsified. But don't mistake the specific model for the general theory.
Jon

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Jon
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Message 9 of 20 (599282)
01-06-2011 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by slevesque
01-06-2011 4:45 AM


Re: Irrelevant Argument
But if he was right it would certainly falsify the Neo-Darwinian theory of evolution. In other words, their would need to have another mechanism (or simply an add-on) to Mutations+NS = Evolution.
But is this the claim he's making? If he's a Creo, then his primary goal is to 'salvage', in his mind, the reputation of humans being descended from 'lesser' beasts. In that, he must undertake the task of disproving evolution, not just certain schools of thought or models/mechanisms related to evolution.
Even if we found out that the mechanisms we believe to be behind evolution were false, it would only have bearing on the mechanisms. Evolutionwhat we see as separate species are derived from common ancestral species, and they from others, etc.is true.
To support his position he must do far differently than discredit some timelines; and until he gets to what is necessary to support his position, any other arguments he makes along the way are simply irrelevant.
Jon

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