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jar
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Message 218 of 268 (598560)
01-01-2011 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by GDR
01-01-2011 11:40 AM


Re: What is the simplest life form?
GDR writes:
jar writes:
No, it is observation. We see things becoming more complex and less complex. No directionality.
The earth evolved from the basic elements and life evolved to where we are today. That sure looks like directionality to me.
And things are also moving from more complex to less complex. Uranium decays to lead.
If you are simply selecting out those things that seem to support YOUR desired outcome, what is that called?

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jar
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Message 220 of 268 (598572)
01-01-2011 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by GDR
01-01-2011 12:26 PM


Re: What is the simplest life form?
GDR writes:
jar writes:
And things are also moving from more complex to less complex. Uranium decays to lead.
And life forms have evolved from less complex to more complex.
And from more complex to less complex.
GDR writes:
jar writes:
If you are simply selecting out those things that seem to support YOUR desired outcome, what is that called?
I don't have desired outcome. You had made the following assertion.
jar writes:
First, evolution is simply change over time.
Second, it is NOT directed.
Third there is no directionality.
I merely pointed out that your view that evolution is not directed is just opinion. (Presumably your desired outcome) It was you that made the assertion.
There is no scientific evidence either way.
Directed as in direction.
There is scientific evidence that it is the result of mutation (including variations) filtered by Natural Selection.
There is NO evidence for some intervention force.
But still, what does any of this have to do with determining what is life?

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jar
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Message 222 of 268 (598576)
01-01-2011 12:48 PM
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01-01-2011 12:40 PM


Re: What is the simplest life form?
HUH?
There is evidence for one and no evidence for the other.
But again, what does that have to do with the question "What is life"?

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jar
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Message 224 of 268 (598580)
01-01-2011 1:03 PM
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01-01-2011 1:01 PM


Re: What is the simplest life form?
That what we see can be explained without the necessity of some critter meddling and no evidence of even a model for how the meddler might intervene.
But again, what does that have to do with the question "What is life"?

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jar
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Message 226 of 268 (598590)
01-01-2011 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by GDR
01-01-2011 1:22 PM


Re: What is the simplest life form?
My only point is that you made a statement that was intended to be read as fact for which you have no evidence and is strictly your opinion.
My position which you even quoted was:
quote:
That what we see can be explained without the necessity of some critter meddling and no evidence of even a model for how the meddler might intervene.
Granted that only says that there is no need for the meddler. That therefore there is no need to consider the meddler is not an opinion I think, but rather a conclusion from the evidence that does exist.
And to address the issue of "What is life", as I pointed out back in Message 7, I can't say for sure.

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jar
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Message 231 of 268 (598678)
01-01-2011 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Philip Johnson
01-01-2011 6:55 PM


Re: What is the simplest life form?
However, evolutionists believe that it is more likely that a mutation will add to the genome which gradually results in more information in the genome.
You keep making that assertion yet have never provided any support for that silly assertion.
Creationists believe that it is more likely that a mutation will remove part of the genome which gradually results in less information in the genome.
Even if they do think that, it is something that is demonstrably refuted.
The idea that there was some super genome that has been degraded over time, in addition to just being really really silly, has been refuted time after time.
As a beginning look at the thread Looking for the Super-Genome. -And it ain't found.

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jar
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Message 236 of 268 (598713)
01-01-2011 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by GDR
01-01-2011 10:45 PM


on directed stuff.
Please see Message 226 where I point out that that is NOT an opinion but rather a conclusion.
quote:
My only point is that you made a statement that was intended to be read as fact for which you have no evidence and is strictly your opinion.
My position which you even quoted was:
quote:
That what we see can be explained without the necessity of some critter meddling and no evidence of even a model for how the meddler might intervene.
Granted that only says that there is no need for the meddler. That therefore there is no need to consider the meddler is not an opinion I think, but rather a conclusion from the evidence that does exist.
And to address the issue of "What is life", as I pointed out back in Message 7, I can't say for sure.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 241 of 268 (598884)
01-03-2011 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by nwr
01-03-2011 2:01 PM


Re: The Mutation Problem
Couldn't find anything in there related to the topic either.

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jar
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Message 255 of 268 (599172)
01-05-2011 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by ICdesign
01-05-2011 10:17 AM


Re: The Mutation Problem
Many of us would be interested in knowing what any of this has to do with the topic which in case you forgot is "What is life?"

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