Even if there was a Designer, does it matter?

Does that answer your question?

That might be something you are interested in but it is irrelevant to this thread and far off topic.The question in this thread is "Even if there was a Designer, does it matter?"

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"I would remove feline leukaemia from the world."Would you change anything outside of the earth?

Comets that might one day hit Earth and ruin my day.Next?

The initial question was "Even if there was a Designer, does it matter?"Yes it does. If the Designer designed that if you fall 40+ feet you will likely die, then it does matter that you avoid falling 40+ feet if you do not want to die. What does NOT matter is if you do not like the fact that Designer designed it that way.

No. If falling 40 feet will kill you, you want to avoid falling 40 feet. And that's regardless of whether a designer is involved or not.

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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

Typical atheistic evilutionistic response, only thinking of yourself and not all of jeebus's creatures. (Sorry, couldn't resist. Carry on.)

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

Again, just utter nonsense.Nothing in there support any value to the designer.You seem to be conflating the object with some designer. If something breaks if it falls 40 feet, does it matter whether it was designed to break in a 40 foot fall or just breaks in a 40 foot fall because the chemical and physical properties of the component parts came together through evolving naturally?What is the value of the designer. Does it matter if the designer is Loki, Coyote, Yahweh, or Tom Thumb?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

subbie wrote: "No. If falling 40 feet will kill you, you want to avoid falling 40 feet. And that's regardless of whether a designer is involved or not."The initial question is based on the idea that there IS a designer. The initial question was "Even if THERE WAS a Designer, does it matter?"So yes it does. If the Designer designed that if you fall 40+ feet you will likely die, then it does matter that you avoid falling 40+ feet if you do not want to die.Likewise, just as you should pay attention to the natural laws that the Designer designed, you should pay attention to the spiritual laws that the Designer designed.So it would seem to matter a great deal IF there was a Designer (which is the question of this topic).

The world is as it is. The question asks what difference would it make if there is or isn't a designer. We die if we fall 40 feet. This is a fact. (Actually, I'm aware that there are many exceptions to this "fact" but I'm willing to overlook them for purposes of this discussion, so pedants back off.) Whether we were designed this way or we are the result of an evolutionary process does not change the fact. No, it really isn't. The actual topic relates to ID and how the existence of a designer would advance our understanding of the real world. The spiritual stuff is totally off topic.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

"IF" there is a designer and "IF" he is the Yahweh of the Holy Bible and "IF" what the bible says is true, then it absolutely matters because where you spend all of eternity is at stake.IF there is no designer then nothing matters because there is no purpose.
IF there is a designer and he has a grand purpose for his design then everything matters.What is the value of the designer? IF the design could not exist without the designer then his value is all of existence!IF is a big word.

That still does not explain the value of the designer.The issue relates to the concept of Intelligent Design.Even if there was some Intelligent Designers, does it matter?Does it matter who designed the first radio or automobile or plane or train or box or match or button?Other than the two areas I outline, does the designer actually matter?Edited by jar, : hit send key too soon.

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Loud and clear for me.I'm not even a little bit surprised that the simplest truth is unclear to you jar. YES it absolutely matters. Without the designer of those items we would not have any of those items!!!
....I've heard of the light being on but nobody home but your house doesn't even have a candle burningEdited by ICdesign, : No reason given.

How does it matter? They exist. They exist whether there was a designer or not.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

If they were not designed by a designer would they exist?