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Author Topic:   Great Debate: Is Bible Prophecy Evidence Of The Biblical God? Meldinoor & Buzsaw
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Message 1 of 6 (597149)
12-19-2010 10:01 PM

The Bible is rife from Genesis to Revelation prophetically relating to the end time messianic kingdom of the nation of Israel. This is one of the most empirical evidences of the reliability of the Biblical record of all that is physically observable.
What makes this so empirical, in my view is all of the corroborating observable end time prophesies which tie in with the restoration of Israel in our times.
The first Biblical prophecy relating to the ultimate restoration of the nation is in Genesis 13:14, 15 (ASV)
"14And Jehovah said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art, northward and southward and eastward and westward: 15for all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever."
Abraham, who took to the hill country was on a high hill when Jehovah made this promise to him, promising him the land of Caanan forever. This was to be the messianic land of Jehovah's millennial kingdom on earth.
This Abrahamic covenant was repeated by Jehovah to both Isaac, Abraham's son and Jacob, his grandson from whom came the tribe of Judah out of whom messiah was to come.
Israel has been restored to their land after enslavement, dispersion, famine slaughter and/or captivity three times, all of which the odds of their restoration were slim. The first was Egypt where Jacob and his 12 sons who were to be the 12 tribes of Israel, went when drought and famine plagued Caanan. They remained in Egypt roughly 400 years according to scripture.
They conquered Caanan after the 40 years in the desert. They were ruled by Judges around 200 years before being taken captive into Babylon some 70 years. Judah survived as a kingdom the longest during this period. Their last king was Zedekiah before their 70 year captivity in Babylon. According to the prophet Jeremiah, Jeremiah 25:11, 12 ASV " And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.
12 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith Jehovah, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans; and I will make it desolate for ever."
As per the Abrahamic covenant prophecy given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, respectively, this captivity did not prevent the reoccupation of Israel (mostly Judah, from which tribe messiah was to come) to their promised land. This return was decreed by Cyrus The Great, king of Media and the Persian Empire after he conquered Babylon. Cyrus also decreed the rebuilding of the Temple which was accomplished later by Artaxerxes, also known by the Hebrew name Cyrus. See Ezra 6:1 "Then King Darius issued a decree........".
The remnants of Israel, consisting mostly of the messianic tribe of Judah, after the temple was rebuilt, occupied the promised land until early in the 1st century AD and the advent of the Christian era.
The following are some examples of prophets, all corroborating one another to confirm that there will be a final and permanent messianic restoration of the nation of Israel:
Amos 9:14,15. "........they shall no more be plucked up out of their land which I have given them, saith Jehovah thy God."
Joel 3:20: "20 But Judah shall abide for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation. "
Ezekiel 37:25: "
And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, they, and their children, and their children's children, for ever: and David my servant shall be their prince for ever. "
Zechariah: 3:20: "I will make you a name and a praise among all the peoples of the earth, when I bring back your captivity before your eyes, saith Jehovah."
Jesus; Luke 21:24: "........Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. "
To corroborate these messianic end time predictions relating to the ultra phenomenal restoration of the Jewish nation after over 19 centuries of disbursement, we have the emerging global government as prophesied in Revelation 13 where all nations will be buying and selling with marks and numbers, speaking images available to all nations, i.e. TV (same chapter) etc.
Climate change has been predicted for the last days by Isaiah, John in Revelation, as well as the other prophets and apostles.
The phenomenon of a city being destroyed by burning in one hour and men's flesh disintegrating as they walk speaks of nuclear way.
The polluting of the rivers and oceans was prophesied in Revelation by John.
Jesus prophesied that his gospel would be preached to all nations before the end came.
John, in Revelation 11 predicted that the gospel would be published to all nations from an angel/messenger in the sky/heaven. "Sky Angel" satellite broadcasts the gospel to all nations.
The above are just a few corroborating evidences that Biblical predictions are accurate. All of the above, along with much more, not cited lends supportive physical observable evidence of the existence of the Biblical god, Jehovah.

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Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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Message 2 of 6 (597154)
12-19-2010 11:36 PM

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Message 3 of 6 (597491)
12-21-2010 11:21 PM

Bump For Meldinoor
It appears that Meldinoor has not posted for about ten days. I'm getting no answer from him in messages. Hopefully he will be back.

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Message 4 of 6 (597810)
12-24-2010 9:43 AM

Debate Update
Meldinoor has sent a message, informing me that he's still aboard. Like myself, he's a busy feller. I've assured him that there's no rush. When he finds the time the debate is still on track.
I think he agrees with me that we don't want these debates to become compelling. We want it to be a pleasant and enjoyable thing to do and a way to null hypothesize (I recently learned this scientific term the hard way )our hypotheses and ferret out the truth when all's done.

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Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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Message 5 of 6 (598028)
12-26-2010 11:36 PM

Sorry about the delay folks. I'm currently in bed with strep throat and a fever, and will postpone my reply until I'm feeling a little better. It's not easy to produce well thought-out posts when you're choking on your own tonsils.

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Message 6 of 6 (598087)
12-27-2010 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Meldinoor
12-26-2010 11:36 PM

Get Well Wishes
Meldinoor writes:
I'm currently in bed with strep throat and a fever....
Ah, man, that sounds awful. I hope and pray for a quick recovery.
ABE: Too bad the gub'mt outlawed comfrey tea. Very healing and soothing for inflammation. I grow and dry my own for such needs.
Edited by Buzsaw, : as noted

The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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