Colors proof of Divine origin of Bible?

When I was searching for some information about the beliefs and arguments of one of our new members, I can across an interesting argument?There is a claim that this arguments stumps every atheist. I am curious as to the feelings of the atheists and theists about this argument.

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I have used this argument for the Bible's divine origin against atheists so many times, and it's always a little bit funny when they get stumped:
http://www.idscience.org/.../an-amazing-new-biblical-finding

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No webpage found at provided URL: SourceThe premise of the argument is that by using numerology on the hebrew words for the primary colors plus two more and then you graph them you will get a straight line.

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The Bible mentions five colors in Hebrew: red (adom), Yellow (tzahov), green (yerakon), blue (tchelet) and magenta (argaman). One curious observation is immediately apparent, in that this list not only includes the primary colors - red, yellow and blue but it also includes the only two other colors green and magenta that are necessary to produce the complete color palate for four color printing. As interesting as this observation is it pales in comparison to a discovery made by Haim Shore a professor of Statistics and Engineering at Ben-Gurion University. What Professor Shore discovered is that the numerical values of the Hebrew words for these colors is correlated with the spectral wave frequency for these colors.

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Hebrew is an alpha numeric language - in that every letter is also equal to a number. So if you add the values of each letter you get a number for the total value of the word. This is commonly used in gematria, the Rabbinic Cabalistic system of Biblical interpretation and prophesy, but what Shore did is not gematria. After calculating a total value for each word, he then plotted them on a graph. He plotted the numerical value of each word on the horizontal graph and the color’s wave frequency on the vertical axis . To Shore’s amazement he discovered that the graph yielded a straight line.

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It’s a universal principle of engineering that if you have two sets of data, you put them in ascending order, plot one set on the horizontal axis and the other on a vertical axis and if they fall on a straight line, that means that both data sets are measuring the same thing, only on a different scale. I was astonished. The five points on the graph formed a straight line, which means that the names of the colors related directly to their wave frequencies. It was purely a statistical analysis Shore said,I didn’t manipulate a single number in doing the analysis. When I saw this result I was stunned. I was completely astonished. Then I went on to other words in the Hebrew Bible, plotting the value of the letters against known scientific data. The whole thing blew me away. Shore went on to investigate similar cases in the Bible and so far has preformed over 20 different analyses with statistically verifiable findings, for example he has found a similar correlation between numerical word value a planetary diameters.

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Shore began as a Bible skeptic and did not expect to make any of these findings. He says that he does not want to tell anyone what his findings mean but their theological implications are unavoidable.

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No webpage found at provided URL: SourceSo is this the ultimate atheist stumper?

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Not at all.Why is the actual graph important? According to what has been said about it it is a straight line.The graph is not what the debate is about. What is pertinent is whether numerology and the graphing of the results can show evidence that atheists can not refute.Are you just saying that this is not promotable in your eyes?

I am asking the good members whether they think that the argument as presented as the ultimate atheist stumper is an atheist stumper.This bit which I have shown has been claimed to be the ultimate atheist stumper. What is presented is the totality of their argument. I assume from your hesitance you do not believe it is the ultimate atheist stumper.I was hoping that Livingstone Morford(who seems to be the one that claims it is the ultimate atheist stumper) would have the opportunity to defend his assertion.The purpose of this OP was to simply determine if the argument as presented is a valid argument for the divinity of the bible. Obviously you do not feel it is and you do not want to promote this thread. That could be something to be discussed, but is obviously not the whole thrust of the OP. Is the OP truly this vague. I have no problem with other things discussed, but I think the OP is quite clear. Of course it would. This would be evidence against the non-validity of the argument. I am confused as to why you would need to ask this question.

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Snippy?It was not meant to be snippy at all. Sorry if you felt it was. I guess I was confused by your confusion. I thought it was a quite simple OP and the things you are bringing up are the type of issues I felt the topic would bring forward.Again, I am sorry if my tone seemed snippy.

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I was hoping that Livingstone Morford would stop by and give some support for this.On another Error Page he(or someone else using the same name), made the claim that this was such a great argument.I will try to see if I can find the graphs and more on Shore.

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The book he presents this argument in seems to be Coincidences in the Bible and in Biblical HebrewIt is published by iUniverse which is a self-publishing company.
Mr. Shore is a professor of engineering.Here are some excerpts from the book.
Excerpt 1
Excerpt 2The first excerpt talks about colors on page 13. The graph is not included in this excerpt. I am not sure but the major typo at the very
start of the second excerpt may speak volumes.Edited by Admin, : Fix links.

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I was really hoping for a defense of this by Livingstone Morford, but I guess he has decided not to try to defend the indefensible. I think my suspicions are confirmed that the Livingstone Morford that stated this is the same one we have participating in this forum. If it were not him he would have let us know very clearly.Well I guess we are just going to have to wait for a real "atheist stumper".

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Shore article

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Great article. Typo here I guess this thread has run its course. I was really hoping Livingstone Morford would post and defend his claim. I guess it shows how willing many fundies are to make extraordinary claims, but run away when actual evidence is presented to counter those claims.I guess the real funny part is even Morfords fellow fundies find a huge problem with this.

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Mr. Morford,

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While I believe that the Bible is the Word of the One True God, I'm not sure how the linked article reveals this fact, especially considering the technical errors and the attempt to use a numerical pattern to support this contention.

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First, the additive primary colors are red, blue, and green, while the subtractive primary colors are cyan, magenta, and yellow. The latter three are also often called the compliments or complimentary colors of the first three. Red, yellow, and blue are often considered an artist's primary colors, but that is more just due to tradition, and they are easier to use.

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I have no idea what the numerical values of the letters of the Hebrew words for the colors mentioned in the Bible, but plotting them so that they produce a straight line is fortuitous indeed. By what criterion are the colors arranged on the lower axis? Increasing number count? Alphabetical color name? Are only the Hebrew consonants used, or are the vowels included?

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I'm very skeptical of revelation that is based on any numbers other than the ones already written in Scripture, such as 6, 7, and 40, which have theological significance. But adding up numbers based on Hebrew or Greek letters, or counting the number of words or whatever in any way implies that revelation is linked to a language or a Bible version. I don' think that is what God has in mind for us. Let's avoid eisigesis.

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SourceEdited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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