Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
6 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,815 Year: 3,072/9,624 Month: 917/1,588 Week: 100/223 Day: 11/17 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Life on other Planets?
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 284 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 7 of 160 (594330)
12-03-2010 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Bolder-dash
12-02-2010 11:32 PM


It seems likely, but as I am neither religious nor retarded I have no fixed and definite opinion on the subject. I would need more data.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by Bolder-dash, posted 12-02-2010 11:32 PM Bolder-dash has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 284 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 10 of 160 (594338)
12-03-2010 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by GDR
12-03-2010 1:36 AM


No.
I'm kinda swayed by the books on consciousness that I've read such as Quantum Enigma to think that the rest of the universe only exists as long as there is conscious life on Earth to perceive it, or something like that.
But if you can believe that, then why couldn't it be the case that the rest of the universe only exists as long as there is life on Alpha Centuri Gamma to perceive it? Why should we be ontologically privileged?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 8 by GDR, posted 12-03-2010 1:36 AM GDR has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 11 by GDR, posted 12-03-2010 2:11 AM Dr Adequate has replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 284 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 12 of 160 (594347)
12-03-2010 2:42 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by GDR
12-03-2010 2:11 AM


Well, if I'm right, (and I am aware that is a very big if), then Alpha Centuri Gamma only exists because life here perceives it.
I have yet to see the argument --- but it seems to me that any argument that implies an ontological uniqueness for my planet and my species could also with minor adjustments be turned into an argument for the ontological uniqueness of my race, my gender, my nationality or just for me personally. In fact, sight unseen, I am willing to wager a small sum that any such argument will make more sense if applied to me personally.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 11 by GDR, posted 12-03-2010 2:11 AM GDR has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 26 by GDR, posted 12-03-2010 11:36 AM Dr Adequate has not replied
 Message 29 by Taq, posted 12-03-2010 11:40 AM Dr Adequate has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 284 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


(1)
Message 67 of 160 (594572)
12-03-2010 10:19 PM


I would offer to run a sweepstake on what the fuck Bolder-dash is talking about if I thought that there was the remotest chance of us ever finding out.

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 284 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 83 of 160 (594617)
12-04-2010 1:46 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Bolder-dash
12-04-2010 1:24 AM


Re: Huh?????
I have not even hinted that I don't believe in the possibility of life on other planets.
Have other evolutionists on this sited suggested that I have? Certainly. Just more spin or projecting of their paranoia I guess.
You are a funny little man.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 81 by Bolder-dash, posted 12-04-2010 1:24 AM Bolder-dash has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 284 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 84 of 160 (594618)
12-04-2010 1:50 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Bolder-dash
12-04-2010 12:36 AM


Re: Huh?????
What you are trying to call evidence for anything is actually just speculation. First you can speculate that abiogenesis is possible without having the slightest bit of evidence that it is. What makes you think this is even possible? Anything other than your faith?
The fact that life exists and that it used not to exist seems to be inarguable proof that at some point life began to exist.
I am simply pointing out the inconsistency of your thinking. Trying to make an argument that there is more evidence for alien life than for a force that created the cosmos, that created gravity, and energy, and atomic forces, and heat and cold and thermo dynamics....just is not a very strong argument. In order to believe that you have to believe that all of the forces of the universe just poofed out by arbitrary chaos. That's a big stretch. It is an argument that can only be made by someone who WANTS a particular outcome.
Actually, it's an argument that can only be made by the imaginary people who live in your head.
It is really an indefensible position ...
Yeah. All the stuff that you make up in your head is indefensible.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 78 by Bolder-dash, posted 12-04-2010 12:36 AM Bolder-dash has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 284 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 86 of 160 (594621)
12-04-2010 2:02 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Bolder-dash
12-04-2010 1:57 AM


Re: Huh?????
Is there any subject that you can't turn into an excuse to recite creationist gibberish?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 85 by Bolder-dash, posted 12-04-2010 1:57 AM Bolder-dash has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 284 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 96 of 160 (594670)
12-04-2010 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Bolder-dash
12-04-2010 1:52 PM


Re: Huh????? Life on other Planets?
Good question, I am glad you asked.
It is simply a matter of editorial comment and response that it is perhaps informationally of interest that evolutionists overwhelmingly (overwhelmingly being used in the sense of virtually without exception) believe in the existence of something for which they have zero empirical evidence, while at the same time selectively proclaiming opposition to belief in things for which one does not have empirical evidence.
Aliens in space, vibrating strings of infinite size, worm holes, alternative dimensions of existence------Yes
An intelligent force behind observable ordered phenomenon-----No.
Just interesting, that's all.
While your delusions are somewhat interesting to those of us who are interested in the psychology of being wrong, they aren't really on topic, are they?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 94 by Bolder-dash, posted 12-04-2010 1:52 PM Bolder-dash has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 284 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 103 of 160 (594689)
12-04-2010 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Bolder-dash
12-04-2010 1:36 PM


Re: Huh?????
note: nor can we also conclude that all chemicals have the same behavior on other planets as they do on Earth
Yeah, maybe on Mars selenium is a halide.
Ah ... creationism.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 92 by Bolder-dash, posted 12-04-2010 1:36 PM Bolder-dash has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 284 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 134 of 160 (595133)
12-06-2010 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Meldinoor
12-05-2010 5:06 PM


Re: I Have Questions
Nope to all of those.
Unbelievers will be anally probed for all eternity.
And not in a good way.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 129 by Meldinoor, posted 12-05-2010 5:06 PM Meldinoor has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 284 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 136 of 160 (602995)
02-02-2011 5:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Bolder-dash
12-02-2010 11:32 PM


John Ray
I was re-reading John Ray's The Wisdom of God Manifested in the Works of the Creation and sighing for the days (1691) when creationism was something more than mere denial of well-established facts.
Anyway, he has this to say about life on other planets:
That the number of corporeal Creatures is unmeasurably great, and known only to the Creator himself; may thus probably be collected: First of all, the Numbers of fix’d Stars is on all hands acknowledg’d to be next to infinite: Secondly, Every fix’d Star, in the now-receiv’d Hypothesis, is a Sun or Sun-like Body, and in like manner incircled with a Chorus of Planets moving about it [...] Thirdly, each of these Planets is in all likelihood furnished with as great Variety of corporeal Creatures, animate and inanimate, as the earth is, and all as different in Nature as they are in Place from the Terrestrial, and from each other.
He does not state why he thinks this likely.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by Bolder-dash, posted 12-02-2010 11:32 PM Bolder-dash has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024