Are any of these prophecies fulfilled by Jesus?

It really does not much matter if any of those are factual or not, the issue is whether or not the material presented was written as a prophecy.I don't think anyone doubts that you can take the actual facts of someones life and then go back and find pieces parts in older writings that when taken out of context could be said to support those facts, and in many cases that is even admitted as in the example from Matthew.It is certainly possible to manufacture prophecy after the fact.The question is "Were the specific passages he mentioned intentionally written originally as prophecy of Jesus?"

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

ICDESIGN mentioned yet again several incidents that he considers to be prophecies fulfilled by Jesus. Among them were "He was born of a virgin,He was born in Bethlehem, He rode into town on a donkey,He was beaten to a bloody pulp,
...... so-forth and so-on. "Some we have already dealt with. for example the mention of riding into town on an ass clearly is nothing but a created after the fact prophecy, a false prophecy.The one related to being born in Bethlehem was also addressed, it simply is not there just as the one about him being beaten to a pulp. They are NOT there in the Old Testament parts ICDESIGN mentioned as his support.BUT WAIT...There's more.The things he mentions as important and as some kind of support for Jesus have two common characteristics.First, they seems to have made no impression or even deserve mention in the earliest writings. They get no play, no mention at all until we come to the Gospels and there, as demonstrated, there is lots of evidence that they are just plain manufactured, the writer taking stuff out of context to try to establish legitimacy.Second, they are really pretty much irrelevant to Jesus message. If he had walked into town or rode a speckled horse, it would have changed nothing. If he had been born in Jezreel or Jerico, it would have changed nothing.What value do the so called prophecies add?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

sure, it'd just look silly coming so late. really, most of biblical prophecy fits this description because the books were last altered, or compiled, well after the subject matter they dealt with. it's possible that this has the affect of adding fictionalization to the accounts -- we really can't tell if isaiah, who lived before the assyrian exile, said what he's supposed to have said when he was supposed to have said it. the prophets themselves don't seem to have written the book, rather, their later disciples. sort of like with christ.but it's an easy mistake to think that the power of prophecy is in prediction. it's not.

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don't be silly. the first collections of biblical texts were in hebrew, and greek for the christian stuff. the jewish people actually have a quite rich tradition of heatedly debating interpretation. allowing the general population access was an important enough concern that when greek became the common language, the jewish scholars set to work translating the bible into greek. this is some 200 years before christ.

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...uh, sorry, but yes it does. you can't just bend an author's words to mean whatever you like. christians love to claim their adoration of the bible, but strangely have little issue with misrepresenting it. if you really have no problem understanding why context is important, i leave you with the following bible verses:

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First Kings 8:23

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Second Kings 1:16

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Second Kings 5:15

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Second Chronicles 6:14

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Psalms 14:1

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Isaiah 44:6

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Isaiah 45:5

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i think the surrounding words are important. don't you?

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well, no. zechariah does say that messiah will enter jerusalem on a donkey (but not two donkeys as matthew has it, lol), and the point is that the coming messiah will be of humble origins.but, um, it's just not exactly prophetic, in that it doesn't make someone the messiah. how many people do you suppose rode into jerusalem on donkeys the same day that christ did? hypothetically? nevermind the question of that that year. that decade, that century... or ever?the important factor in zechariah 9 is what comes directly after that verse: the messiah will end all war and rule the world. ending all war would make someone the messiah. riding a donkey does not. matthew had to have done this on purpose -- how do you miss the big stuff for the sake of the insignificant?

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Would just driving out the foreign powers and creating an independent Hebrew State even if it isn't "world peace" do?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

...uh, sorry but NO it doesn't. The author doesn't even know he is speaking a prophecy at the time.
He is usually making a totally different point. Yes. When it isn't a prophecy, I totally agree with you.Respectfully,
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oh, of course. but you see, what i posted is prophecy. the authors just didn't know it at the time.

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You're in Phoenix. right? Maybe 700 miles from me? Did you hear that THUNK just now? I think it's possible that you did.That sound was my jaw hitting the floor after a supersonic fall caused by reading what I just quoted. You, some Arizonan with an internet connection, can tell true prophecy from other just by looking! And in a book that's more fictional than not. Remarkable.Look up the term "confirmation bias," IC. Consider carefully if it could apply to you.

Just goes to show how ridiculous quote mining can be.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

It is important whether it is a prophesy or not. The surrounding words are what makes the statement sensible. Otherwise it is nothing but a quote mine which is the problem with these so called prophesies, they can say anything the reader wants to make it say.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

Maybe you missed these questions. Why not?The idea of Prophecy was to tell the audience that heard the prophet some message from God that they were expected to act on.Why wouldn't the total context of what the prophet was saying be relevant?What possible use is a prophecy that can only be understood and recognized after the fact?Why would God bother giving a prophecy for folk living today to folk that died thousands and thousands of years ago?If prophecy is meant to be understood, why bury it within a bunch of unrelated material? Huh?When God sends a message to someone and says "Go say this" the person does not know he is speaking prophecy?Are you sure you know what "prophecy" is?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

yup. but rarely do fundamentalists admit what they're doing as openly as ICDESIGN just did right there.

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I can give some examples of what I'm talking about but first lets shift the spotlight to the one posing as the expert on scripture and the author of this thread.jar, you claim to be a devout Christian but all I ever see you doing is talking smack about the bible and its claims. You completely deny we are sinners in need of a Savior. Devout Christian?Do you believe their was prophecy written about Jesus Christ? If so show us what they are. What was Jesus referring to in Mark 14:49 when he said: " Every day I was with you in the temple teaching, and you did not seize Me; but this has taken place to fulfill the Scriptures."? (NAS)IC