Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
4 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,817 Year: 3,074/9,624 Month: 919/1,588 Week: 102/223 Day: 13/17 Hour: 0/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Life on other Planets?
PaulK
Member
Posts: 17822
Joined: 01-10-2003
Member Rating: 2.2


Message 109 of 160 (594756)
12-05-2010 6:27 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Bolder-dash
12-05-2010 5:00 AM


Re: Bolder is a Liar
Of course nobody has to trust what Crash says. They can just look at the first few pages of this thread and see that he is telling the truth.
Given the fact that there is life on Earth, the astronomical evidence leads us to rationally conclude that it is likely that there is some sort of life somewhere else in the universe (see Cavediver's post Message 16 where lays out the reasoning). We know that the number of visible stars (including those visible to telescopes) is huge. We have evidence that planets are not that rare (detecting planets around other stars is still very difficult, but we have a good number of examples). This evidence clearly exists and you cannot deny it.
I'll grant that you make attempts to dismiss this reasoning but your attempts are based on drawing bad analogies and therefore fail. Nor have you managed to offer an equivalent argument for the existence of God (your argument from order fails because any potential creator of our universe would also be an ordered entity and so we end up with an infinite regress - or the admission that order does not require a creator).
And so your whole argument for hypocrisy fails. And hurling abuse at Crashfrog hardly helps.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 107 by Bolder-dash, posted 12-05-2010 5:00 AM Bolder-dash has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 110 by Bolder-dash, posted 12-05-2010 7:58 AM PaulK has replied

  
PaulK
Member
Posts: 17822
Joined: 01-10-2003
Member Rating: 2.2


Message 112 of 160 (594765)
12-05-2010 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by Bolder-dash
12-05-2010 7:58 AM


Re: Bolder is a L
quote:
Where did I lie? If you are going to make stupid accusation,s I believe this forum requires you to back those up with some facts.
Where did I say that you lied ?
quote:
Crashfrog clearly distorted the facts by butchering up quotes to make it look as if some evolutionists actually said they don't have a believe in alien life. that is a lie, and now you are repeating it.
As i stated, we can see that he did not do so. If you read the posts you will see that the belief was typically expressed in terms of likelihood based on evidence that we DO have.,
quote:
Furthermore, I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion that numbers make your case. Let's look at numbers for a second. In all the time that man has been here, and that there is a written history of the world, have we EVER witnessed life forming from non-life? Even once?
How would we observe life coming from non-life ? While I would agree that it has not happened it has nothing to do with direct observation (since that is hopelessly impractical).
But the numbers mean that your argument CANNOT work. You can never argue from such an observation that it is UNLIKELY that life would form at least once on an Earth-like planet give time equal to the age of the Earth. The vast number of planets that are (probably) out there mean that we can allow for life being far less probable than you could possibly establish with such an argument, even if you used the whole age of the Earth and not the far smaller time that man has existed.
And even worse for your case, how life came about does not matter. Unless you can make a case that the source of Earthly life could or would only generate life here and nowhere else - and that there are no similar sources that could generate life elsewhere it does not matter. The question is about whether life exists elsewhere, not how it came about.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 110 by Bolder-dash, posted 12-05-2010 7:58 AM Bolder-dash has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024