Can God lie?

to be fair, this question was answered six and a half years ago, by brian, in the second post of this thread, which i shall reproduce here in its entirety:

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God lied to poor Ahab:

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1 Kings 22:22-23 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.

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Of course, some people would say that God had every right to lie to Ahab, but it was still a lie.

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Brian

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EvC Forum: Can God lie?

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discussion over, right? according to the bible, god can and does lie. the question then becomes what to do with the verses that appear to say otherwise... and your post addresses that quite well.

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this might be a good way to read it.but then again, it might not. the implication in the text is that the tree will cause death, not that god will punish them for disobedience. but this is a really subtle point, and certainly debatable. perhaps god just likes to phrase things in incredibly indirect ways.

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to be fair, this question was answered six and a half years ago, by brian, in the second post of this thread, which i shall reproduce here in its entirety:

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Brian shows a good example of God lying, but it didn't really address what the originator was asking concerning the two verses.The two verses presented in the OP, don't really give contradictory information. I think the writer of Titus is dealing more with the idea that God doesn't break his promises, as opposed to, lying for a just reason.Both verses can be right and neither negates the ability of God to lie.

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but then again, it might not. the implication in the text is that the tree will cause death, not that god will punish them for disobedience. but this is a really subtle point, and certainly debatable. perhaps god just likes to phrase things in incredibly indirect ways.

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If Eve thought the fruit was poisonous, she took a big risk trusting the snake. Remember Eve gave a little different rendition of God's command. Makes you wonder if she touched the tree first. The author doesn't depict God character as lying. Since this is a fictional story, we are talking about a character of God and not really God.At least 1 Kings is depicting their take on reality.