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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Very few problems with moderation.
Exceptions: --Sometimes mods are a bit quick, or unsubtle, on the off-topic and ban buttons. --Frequent threats of banning are very off-putting. Edited by AdminPD, : Subtitle N/A
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
What are we doing with threads on wikileaks and Obama?
Those are so far off-topic for this board that they should be dumped!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Thank you to everyone for their support.
And thanks also to Moose for reconsidering.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Moose, your moderation is getting increasingly erratic.
This is becoming a serious problem for this forum, and for me. I have some idea what I'm talking about as I've been a mod on another forum for over three years. I don't believe my posts in the Potential Evidence for a Global Flood thread warranted removal from that entire topic, especially as that is one area I, as an archaeologist, have direct experience with. My own research disproves the claim of a global flood ca. 4,350 years ago. That is why it is necessary to pin down the approximate time of the claimed flood, else there can be no productive discussion.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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But for the sake of having a debate on some aspect of "floodism" and/or "flood geology", we need to set such a thing aside. As I see it, the Biblical "one year flood" is a consideration in that debate. That it Biblically supposedly happened somewhere in the last 5000 years is not a relevant issue. Here is where we disagree. "Flood geology" is an incorrect term as well as an unsupported claim. This is what I have been trying to point out -- if the flood occurred during historic times, at the times given by biblical scholars, we are not dealing with geology! We are dealing with soils and both sedimentology and archaeology. The Cambrian explosion, K-T boundary and all the rest of those ancient claims are out, and recent archaeological deposits are in. Archaeological deposits are what I deal with on a daily basis. We deal with bones, not fossils, and sediments, not geological layers. This makes a vast difference in the debate, and the evidence presented. If we have a free-floating time period for the global flood, we have a non-productive debate. Anything can be brought in as a justification for a global flood, even events separated by 500 million years! To have a productive debate we need to agree upon a time period and deal with the evidence pertaining to just that time period. The biblical scholars whom I cited agree on something close to 4,350 years ago. That is a relevant issue, and indeed a critical issue. That time period eliminates fossils and a lot of other issues brought up by YEC creationists. It requires archaeological data, which I am able to cite--some coming from my own excavations and research. So far I have not seen YEC arguments which refute my arguments, probably because the main creationists websites have yet to address those arguments. But the time period during which the purported global flood occurred is absolutely critical to this entire line of debate. If you disallow evidence for a recent global flood, all of archaeology is disallowed, even though this is clearly the most pertinent evidence. And then the date of the global flood can span 500 million to a billion years, with the usual pick and choose snippets passed off as evidence. So again, I disagree with your decision to disallow discussion of a recent time period for the purported global flood. I think this issue is absolutely critical to any productive discussion, as it brings necessary focus to the issue.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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I too feel Moose was treated unfairly.
Of course I don't know all the details, particularly those behind the scenes. But I miss the old bugger!
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
One peon high school graduate holding at bay a pack of science higher educated counterparts for 30 plus thread pages can't be all that ignorant. If you think you are winning these threads you are incorrect.
The majority of members voted Buzsaw back in science whether or not they agree. So you think they want an arrogant ignoramus back in their science forums to debate on science topics? Speaking only for myself, I enjoy the challenge. And of the creationists you are among the very few who can construct a sentence in the English language. You have shown, however, that you have no concept of science or how it works. I'm beginning to wonder if you are even qualified to read a science book.
How many fundi creationists would last here in this hostile debate board for eight plus years debating on behalf of ID and creationism? Without learning anything? Only a "fundi creationist" with a completely closed mind. Nothing penetrates, not data, not logic, not reasoning, not theory, and not repetition. This makes me wonder what kind of a deity it is that would value deliberate and willful ignorance in the face of overwhelming evidence. Edited by AdminModulous, : offtopic content hidden. AdminModulousReligious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Is any serious debater going to want to come on here on discuss the issues. In science the primary debate is conducted in peer-reviewed journals. As elsewhere in science, those journals require that one follows the scientific method and provides evidence. Have a problem with that?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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I won't debate you here, because I now know this isn't a debate site, its a propaganda site. But thank you for confirming the notion that you don't want it debated either. I think one of the main reasons why your side doesn't want to debate it is precisely because they lack the evidence, so every time they debate it, they become stuck trying to hide from that fact. Here are a few of the journals in which the evolution debate is carried out: American Journal of Human Biology And here are the articles appearing in the April issue of American Journal of Physical Anthropology. This journal appears monthly.
So where is the lack of evidence you claim? I would put scientific evidence up against the vacuous nonsense that you post any time. ----------- I realize this is off topic here. No further responses will be made on this thread. Edited by Coyote, : Off topic noteReligious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Your increasingly harsh posts are not doing you or your cause any good.
Maybe take a break soon and go take a long walk in the hills or something? That can be quite soothing after a few miles.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Onifre, 1 week (Message 191)
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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If you'd quit complaining about moderation and come up with some evidence for your nutty claims, maybe you'd do better.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Message 71
Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm here all week. (Try the veal.) Seriously, nonsense should be confronted where ever it appears. The "global flood" has been disproved for 200 years. Efforts to support it with pseudo-science should not be encouraged except for purposes of amusement.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Minnemooseus--
Your points are well-taken. Certainly we all should be friendlier. And Faith, as part of the "loyal opposition" is a necessary part of this forum. But Faith needs to meet us somewhere close to halfway. Particularly, refusing to accept scientific evidence and the scientific method while claiming to be doing science gets old after a while. If Faith claimed a miracle, that would be one thing, but the consistent errors, misrepresentation, and flat-out disregard of established scientific evidence--all in an attempt to twist that evidence to her liking--gets annoying after a few years. Scientists strive for accuracy, and there is quite a stigma for being wrong. That is how many of us here are trained. I've certainly seen harsher comments than those here at scientific meetings. Given this, I think Faith is fortunate we've as polite as we have.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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