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AlphaOmegakid
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Message 136 of 268 (594216)
12-02-2010 4:55 PM
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12-02-2010 2:34 PM


Re: different sections in magazines.
Game Over

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Message 137 of 268 (594217)
12-02-2010 4:56 PM
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12-02-2010 4:55 PM


I totally double clicked the Submit button...
Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

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Message 138 of 268 (594218)
12-02-2010 4:56 PM
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12-02-2010 4:55 PM


Well, there's still Message 111.

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AlphaOmegakid
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Message 139 of 268 (594231)
12-02-2010 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by New Cat's Eye
11-30-2010 10:25 AM


Re: the actual problem
Now, we can certainly define yellow to be having a wavelength between 590 - 560 nm, or life to be that with X qualities, but then we just find that the boundaries are fuzzier than our definition allows for. We find that we're not totally accurate. That's the problem with nailing down a definition for life.
The problem with your analogy is already identified by you. Colors may be fuzzy to the eye, and hard to dicern, indeed. But with instrumentation that can measure wavelengths, it is easy to dircern and define.
So I have provided the seven pillars. what is fuzzy about them?

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jar
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Message 140 of 268 (594234)
12-02-2010 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by AlphaOmegakid
12-02-2010 4:55 PM


Re: different sections in magazines.
Does that mean you don't know that the different sections in magazines and journals serve different functions and purposes?
Okay.
Well here is some info for you then.
The magazines and journals often get divided into different sections. Often one section is devoted to reporting and reviewing papers and developments, another is set aside to allow people to ask the editors questions or make editorial comments, and as in this case, often there is a section for essays.
As you claim to know, an essay is "... a short piece of writing which is often written from an author's personal point of view.", in other words, the authors pet position.
Are you still with me?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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AlphaOmegakid
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Message 141 of 268 (594235)
12-02-2010 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Panda
12-02-2010 3:49 PM


Re: Realy Realy Sad
They are born. Being born is not one of the criteria for being alive. (We can add it if you think it should be.)
They can't reproduce, therefore if Reproduction is a required ability then they can't be classed as alive.
We can remove the Reproduction criteria if you feel it is getting in the way.
It's not getting in the way at all. It's apparently only getting in your way. There is no requirement that an organism reproduce to be qualified as being alive. However, there is a requirement that every organism participates in the process of reproduction. Either they must be able to reproduce, or they were reproduced from a parent organism/s.
It's the law of biogenesis that the evos appreciate so much.

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AlphaOmegakid
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Message 142 of 268 (594237)
12-02-2010 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by jar
12-02-2010 6:45 PM


Re: different sections in magazines.
Does that mean you don't know that the different sections in magazines and journals serve different functions and purposes?
Okay.
Well here is some info for you then.
The magazines and journals often get divided into different sections. Often one section is devoted to reporting and reviewing papers and developments, another is set aside to allow people to ask the editors questions or make editorial comments, and as in this case, often there is a section for essays.
As you claim to know, an essay is "... a short piece of writing which is often written from an author's personal point of view.", in other words, the authors pet position.
Are you still with me?
I'm with you. I have an idea! Why don't you gather up all the pet definitions in this forum, and submit them to Science magazine for publication in the essay section!
I can see them howling now! Just as I am.

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jar
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Message 143 of 268 (594238)
12-02-2010 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by AlphaOmegakid
12-02-2010 6:56 PM


Re: different sections in magazines.
And so do you understand what I posted?
Was it an essay?
Are essays personal opinions?
Was it published in an essay section?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Panda
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Message 144 of 268 (594251)
12-02-2010 8:01 PM
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12-02-2010 6:49 PM


Re: Realy Realy Sad
kid writes:
There is no requirement that an organism reproduce to be qualified as being alive...Either they must be able to reproduce, or they were reproduced from a parent organism/s.
I couldn't find a link to this detail in any of your posts.
I found this:
quote:
Reproduction: The ability to produce new individual organisms, either asexually from a single parent organism, or sexually from two parent organisms.
on Wiki (which has a list of criteria identical to yours - but includes evolution).
But this differs to your definition of Reproduction.
Could you please cite a full definition of Reproduction in relation to the definition of life.
Because every description of the Reproduction criteria that I can find requires the individual to "be able to reproduce" and not "be reproduced".
A single link should suffice to clarify your position.
Or are you moving away from the standard definition of life?
Which is fine, as long as it is explicitly stated.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 145 of 268 (594255)
12-02-2010 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by AlphaOmegakid
12-02-2010 6:56 PM


Re: different sections in magazines.
I'm with you. I have an idea! Why don't you gather up all the pet definitions in this forum, and submit them to Science magazine for publication in the essay section!
Do you believe that water molecules consist of two atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen?
Then why don't you submit this idea "to Science magazine for publication in the essay section!"

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Dr Adequate
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Message 146 of 268 (594256)
12-02-2010 8:21 PM
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12-02-2010 6:49 PM


Re: Realy Realy Sad
It's not getting in the way at all. It's apparently only getting in your way. There is no requirement that an organism reproduce to be qualified as being alive. However, there is a requirement that every organism participates in the process of reproduction.
So, just to spell it out.
In order for an organism to be alive, it is not necessary for it to reproduce.
However, in order for an organism to be alive, it is necessary for it to participate in the process of reproduction.

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Theodoric
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Message 147 of 268 (594285)
12-02-2010 9:56 PM
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12-02-2010 6:35 PM


Re: the actual problem
Colors may be fuzzy to the eye, and hard to dicern, indeed. But with instrumentation that can measure wavelengths, it is easy to dircern and define.
Ok, then tell us about this instrument that can tell us where yellow ends an blue begins.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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bluescat48
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Message 148 of 268 (594309)
12-03-2010 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by AlphaOmegakid
12-02-2010 6:35 PM


Re: the actual problem
The problem with your analogy is already identified by you. Colors may be fuzzy to the eye, and hard to dicern, indeed. But with instrumentation that can measure wavelengths, it is easy to dircern and define.
Great so at what wavelength does red end at?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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AlphaOmegakid
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Message 149 of 268 (594368)
12-03-2010 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by Dr Adequate
12-02-2010 8:21 PM


Re: Realy Realy Sad
It's not getting in the way at all. It's apparently only getting in your way. There is no requirement that an organism reproduce to be qualified as being alive. However, there is a requirement that every organism participates in the process of reproduction.
So, just to spell it out.
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There, did that help?
In order for an organism to be alive, it is not necessary for it to reproduce.
However, in order for an organism to be alive, it is necessary for it to participate in the process of reproduction.
Repetition does help for some peolple's comprehension. Here...
For an organism to be alive, it is necessary for it to participate in the process of reproduction.
For an organism to be alive, it is necessary for it to participate in the process of reproduction.
Colors also.....
For an organism to be alive, it is necessary for it to participate in the process of reproduction.

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AlphaOmegakid
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Message 150 of 268 (594370)
12-03-2010 8:43 AM
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12-03-2010 12:00 AM


Re: the actual problem
Great so at what wavelength does red end at?
620-750nm

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