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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3702 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday,
ICDESIGN writes: 2 Peter 2:1 ....there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies.... and bring upon themselves swift destruction. False teachers?That's a PROPHECY ? Has there ever been a time WITHOUT false teachers? Meanwhile - 2 Peter is a FORGERY - do you follow this false teaching of a FORGER ? K.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1727 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Long after you are dead and gone and your big mouth has been silenced You really are just a total shit, aren't you? Please, just keep doing what you're doing. Please keep on reminding me why my life is so much more pleasant now that church, and church-goers, aren't a part of it.
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein. AdminPD Edited by AdminPD, : Warning
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3702 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday,
ICDESIGN writes: Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. What?Where is the prophecy there? A warning against being cheated? K.
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3702 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday,
ICDESIGN writes: Hebrews 13:9 Do not be carried about with variousand strange doctrines. No prophecy there.Did you think there was ? ICDESIGN writes: Ephesians 4:14 ...we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of of doctrine, by the trickery of men by craftiness in deceitful scheming.. No prophecy there either.Have you accidentally posted to the wrong thread ? K.
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3702 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday,
ICDESIGN writes: The bible is by far the number one selling book in all of history and by far the most loved and the most read of any book ever written. No it isn't.the bible is GIVEN AWAY for free. Please show your figures for how many bibles have been SOLD. K.
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jar Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I think calling it a forgery is also going a bit far.
There is no indication that I know of for considering it a forgery, particularly when the common accepted practices at the time would not have seen it that way. Is the "Seven Percent Solution" a forgery because it claims to be the memoirs of Dr. Watson? Is the Hobbit a forgery because it claims to be written by Bilbo Baggins? A common practice at the time (and even continuing today) was to write things attributable to notable people and to make arguments in the style of a major Rabbi and attribute those arguments to that person even if the person is long dead. The issue is not so much about authorship or attribution here as whether the quotes stand up to examination within context. AbE: In addition, issues like how many copies of the Bible have been sold are also irrelevant to the topic Edited by jar, : try to head folk back on topic. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3702 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday,
I think calling it a forgery is also going a bit far. I don't. It was deliberately written by someone OTHER than Peter, in the NAME of Peter - that's a forgery. Scholars of course, don't use that term, and prefer 'pseudograph' or similar.
There is no indication that I know of for considering it a forgery, It is widely considered by modern NT scholars to NOT be by Peter - a very clear indication it was a forgery.
particularly when the common accepted practices at the time would not have seen it that way. Yes, this was a time of widespread forgery - a time when forgery was common. But - it's still a forgery - even if others did it too. K. Edited by Kapyong, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Whatever. It is still totally irrelevant to the thread.
If it makes YOU feel good to consider it a forgery, then fine. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 995 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Nothing you will ever say or do will put even the slightest dent in the unchangeable truth of THE WORD OF GOD You're hilarious, IC. Do you know that? Your "unchangeable truth" has changed quite a bit in my lifetime, let alone since a couple of centuries ago, when you were directed to burn or hang witches and to keep slaves. Just fifty years ago women were Directed By God to never wear pants except on vacation and to cover their heads in church. Couples with disparate amounts of melanin in their skin were Directed By God not to marry, at least by the God Who was predominate in the southern USA. You WORD OF GOD is so damn dented up that not even Jesus Hernandez's Body Shop can fix it. Excellent exposition, Jar! Keep it up! "The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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jar Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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The next place ICDESIGN mentioned as support is Ephesians 4:14
quote: That ICDESIGN chose that one I find very ironic. Just read what it actually says.
quote: You have to love it, I could not have found better support for my position. It is time for Christians to stop just accepting what their pastors say and start acting like adults, actually check their claims, make them support their positions, stop being deceived by every wind of teaching, by the cunning and craftiness of the Preachers and Televangelists and their deceitful scheming. But as always, let's look at the part he quote mined in context.
quote: And guess what, once again what is being discussed is growing up, maturing, behavior, honesty. What I am trying to do in this thread is present some honesty, honestly looking at the pieces parts Christianity and trying to relate what they claim the pieces parts Christianity says to what is actually said. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped! |
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jar Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Finally, the last of the most recent crop of ICDESIGN quote mines is Matthew 24:35.
His cite:
quote: This is perhaps the most apt of his quotes because it is part of a passage that almost doomed the early Church and lead to the creation of a new profession, the Christian Apologetic (see Message 27). Let's stop and look at this one in context and maybe you guys can see why this passage created so much trouble.
quote: See it? Look closely, it's there. Try squinting and holding your breath. Yup, right there, the very line before the one taken out of context is "34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." Well, years passed and the signs did not arrive and the End did not come and the generation was getting old and ... The result was letters like 2 Peter where the argument gets made that God decided to give extra time to spread the word and we are still seeing the exact same thing today, or rather next year according to Family Radio. Thanks ICDESIGN. Edited by jar, : fix subtitle Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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or rather next year according to Family Radio.
quote: No shit... one frickin day before my 30th birthday! Well then, there's no way I'm paying that parket ticket now
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frako Member Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
I wonder what will happen to the site on may 22, 2011
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jar Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Yeah, and I just renewed my drivers license through 2015. I wonder if I will get a rebate for the unused portion?
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Yeah, and I just renewed my drivers license through 2015. I wonder if I will get a rebate for the unused portion? Really!? Aren't you a little old for it being that long?
and don't reply: "that's what she said"
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