Deconversion experiences

Deconversion is a faith issue.....and thank you for providing the wonderful pictures of God's great design.

In what way?We may note that the heavens could declare God's existence if there was a God and if he wanted them to. He could use his magical powers to move stars in such a way that they spelled out: "I EXIST, OK. AND JESUS IS MY SON. GOT THAT?" But either he doesn't exist or for some reason he has chosen not to do so.Instead the heavens just sit there not declaring God's existence in any obvious way. As has been pointed out, people can't choose their beliefs. I can't believe in the tooth fairy by an effort of will. Ah, that would be where you believe without evidence that there is design.

There are hundreds of books outlining the prophecies that Jesus Christ filled. If you are to lazy to do the footwork I'm sure Buzsaw will be covering many of them when he has his Great Debate with Meldinoor.

What does this have to do with your claim that: "Even the heavens declare his existence", which is what you were being called on?Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

However you offer no evidence that the images show something designed by God.In addition, you did not address the question.The issue is whether there is any disadvantage to an experience such as Meldinoor went through?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

I have read a lot of the claptrap you and your ilk try to peddle. Not buying.
You made the assertions, but evidently you are not confident enough in them and are to chickenshit to back them.I will take this as your concession that you can not back either of these statements with any semblance of a cogent argument. It is obvious you are unwilling and unable to back up the crap you spout. I think others will also see that it is useless to try to engage you in any meaningful discussion at all.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

You make the statement about fulfilled prophesies, therefore it is up to you to back them up with evidence.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

......here are just a few...Old Testament Prophecy // New Testament FulfillmentIsaiah 52: 13&14 // John 19:1-3
Micah 5:2 // Matthew 2:1
Isaiah 7:14 // Matthew 1: 18-21
Daniel 9:25 // Galatians 4:4
Genesis 49:10 // Luke 3:23-38
Zechariah 9:9 // Matthew 21 1-4Edited by ICDESIGN, : No reason given.

You made the claim it is you who has to provide the evidence.Though i would love to tare your claims to shreds if you start a new tread furfilled prophecies.

You want me to look at the bible in all of those places you would not be so deer and write what those prophecies say would you.

You have been asked to open an on topic discussion. This is off topic here. Please start a thread so we can discuss this on topic.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

Actually, I'm standing here, looking at the world and claiming that it does not even appear to be designed. If I thought it appeared to be designed, then I wouldn't have a problem with it being designed. Unfortunately, for a whole boatload of reasons (that belong in a different thread), it doesn't really appear to be designed at all. See above. The only apparent thing about answers to prayer, is that I prayed for something, and it happened. Supernatural forces have never been particularly apparent as causes of these answers to prayer.Respectfully,-Meldinoor

I think that many of the deconversion experiences happen because people find the Bible contradictory and inaccurate. I suggest that you are trying to prove your case by proving the accuracy of the Bible which in my view is misguided.The Christian faith does not depend on the scientific and historical accuracy of the whole Bible.Paul has it correct when he writes in his first letter to the Corinthians that "if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith also is in vain".The first Christian churches were formed solely because the early disciples believed that the bodily resurrection of Jesus was an historical event. If they were wrong then all of Christianity is a sham and it becomes either a social movement or a Jewish sect.If Jesus Christ was raised from the dead then does it really matter if the flood was historical or metaphorical? The Bible is not our God.The Christian faith started with the resurrection and is sustained by it. If it isn’t true then my life would be much better spent in other pursuits. I believe that N T Wright makes a very convincing argument although obviously there might be one or two on this forum that would disagree. I think that many of us in the west have gotten too hung up on trying to make the Bible into something that God never intended and have wound up not seeing the forest for the trees. JMHO

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Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

It's more like what you wish to believe. A lot of people wish they could believe in a Sky Daddy who meets all of their needs. Some of them manage to delude themselves that it's true.Real faith isn't just wishful thinking though. It isn't just repeating, "I do, I do, I do believe in spooks." It isn't just hoping that God will solve all of your problems for you.Real faith is believing that there is a solution, even if you have to go out and look for it yourself. When faith works, that's how it works.The wishful thinkers tend to be the most vociferous advocates of "faith" - and also the most effective missionaries for unbelief.

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"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

Hi Buz, It's your call, Buz, although I do have a few problems with that OP as it stands.
The first problem is the fact that most of the prophecies that you reference in it have yet to be fulfilled. Now, you might make the case that the current situation in the Middle East could easily lead to the fulfillment of prophecy, but it seems to me that prophecy that has already been fulfilled would be a bit less speculative, and make a stronger case for the divine inspiration of the prophets.
Secondly, I'd prefer if you cited the relevant bible verses whenever you present an interpretation of scripture. The OP contains a lot of summaries and explanations of entire chapters, but very few actual bible citations to back up your interpretation of the scriptures. I'm not saying that your interpretations are necessarily flawed or unsupported by the text, but citing specific passages eliminates the very probable waste of time that is sifting through a chapter to figure out just which verses support our arguments.I think I'd prefer a new OP, all things considered. But you're the one presenting the case for God's existence, so I will let you choose how to do so.Respectfully,-Meldinoor