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Author Topic:   Does ID follow the scientific method?
Coyote
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Message 244 of 325 (592852)
11-22-2010 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Dawn Bertot
11-22-2010 1:41 PM


Re: Wrong again
Those findings are not what I am representing and Behes initial process seems to be different than mine. So address my process and my conclusions, not it or his
Behe is one of the leading proponents of ID worldwide. You are not.
Science does not have to address every scheme cooked up by some amateur with delusions of competence.
But it is interesting that most of the proponents of ID seem to have very different ideas of what it does and how it does it.
Perhaps you could all get together and agree on your definitions of terms, methods, types of evidence, hypotheses, and tests. Until you can agree among yourselves you are nothing but a rabble making a lot of noise.
Get back to us when you have something, eh?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Coyote
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Message 279 of 325 (593058)
11-23-2010 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by Buzsaw
11-23-2010 10:34 PM


Re: Applying The Scientific Method
...the metaphysical Science Method (MSM) is a more complete science methodology than the biased scientific methodology (MS). MSM researches all sciences, both physical and metaphysical whereas MS limits their methodology to the physical. Thus the MSM is the more complete and non-biased science methodology.
Is this what Behe meant in the Dover trial when he used a definition of science that included astrology?

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Coyote
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Message 296 of 325 (593116)
11-24-2010 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 292 by subbie
11-24-2010 11:45 AM


Re: An example!
The key difference between ID and science in your example is that science actively seeks out and tests alternate causes, ID does not.
ID is not designed to find an answer--to IDers, the answer is already known. Instead it is designed to support that answer.
Unfortunately (as you point out) rather than follow the scientific method and test alternate causes they focus on a single cause and ignore, misrepresent, or deny any evidence that points to other causes.
Perhaps the prime example of this is the RATE Project, although this may be considered more a creationist group than an ID group.
The RATE boys set out to test the decay constant. The group included a number of qualified scientists, and they used scientific equipment and tests. What their evidence showed is that the decay constant had been stable for some millions of years at minimum--in other words, scientists were right and their religious beliefs were not supported by the evidence.
They did the only thing a creationist/IDer could do: they ignored the evidence and stuck to their religious belief.
Here are a couple of reviews of the RATE Project that discuss this creation/ID version of the scientific method in more detail:
Assessing the RATE Project: Essay Review by Randy Isaac
Do the RATE Findings Negate Mainstream Science?
Edited by Coyote, : Missed a word

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