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lyx2no
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Message 46 of 192 (591432)
11-13-2010 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
11-13-2010 2:03 PM


Re: Say What You Mean
Like gauging meanings of prophecy fulfillments when in fact, evidence is cited?
One of the things you might try harder to understand is that we are not failing to grasp the meanings that you apply to sundry prophecies, but that we disagree with your being able to discern the exclusive meaning of said prophecies.
And you wouldn't know evidence if it hit you with its truck.

Be still, the demands I make upon your conscience are slight. It is only your flattery I seek, not your sincerity.

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Buzsaw
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Message 47 of 192 (591436)
11-13-2010 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by subbie
11-13-2010 12:21 PM


Re: Constructive Criticism Appreciated
subbie writes:
I suspect you will ignore these suggestions, but they would benefit anyone, even me. So I'll present them for general purposes.
For the most part your constructive points make sense. I appreciate the good spirited manner in which you stated them.
I'm not understanding the subject/verb agreement problem. Can you cite an example?
Relative; definition; Online Dictionary:
1. Having pertinence or relevance; connected or related
Can you cite an example of my usage of the word which is not within the perameters of that definition?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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Buzsaw
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Message 48 of 192 (591437)
11-13-2010 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by crashfrog
11-13-2010 1:00 PM


Re: Profanity And Racism
crashfrog writes:
Sorry, Buz. Nobody's offended by Hooah's use of the word "fuck" in all its glorious conjugations. What offends us is the bald and naked racism you frequently display, for instance most recently in Message 114 of Golden Age of Blah Blah.
Perhaps it offends nobody among your circle of friends and associates who consider it glorious in it's conjugations. Many would, nevertheless, find it distasteful, especially in the public fora to the extent that Hooah and a few others use it.
ABE: For the most part, my points relating to civil rights had nothing to do with race. The only one which touched on race was government mandated integration to the extent of busing children for that purpose. Many among both blacks and whites oppose government mandated integration. That most church parishioners choose to attend churches of their own race is telling.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Noted in context

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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jar
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Message 49 of 192 (591440)
11-13-2010 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Buzsaw
11-13-2010 10:13 PM


Buz, you outdo yourself.
Just when I think you've reached the pinnacle you go and prove me wrong.
Buz writes:
Perhaps it offends nobody among your circle of friends and associates who consider it glorious in it's conjugations.
Genius.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ringo
Member (Idle past 412 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 50 of 192 (591444)
11-13-2010 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Buzsaw
11-13-2010 10:13 PM


Re: Profanity And Racism
Buzsaw writes:
crashfrog writes:
Nobody's offended by Hooah's use of the word "fuck" in all its glorious conjugations.
Perhaps it offends nobody among your circle of friends and associates who consider it glorious in it's conjugations.
In a (probably apocryphal) story from World War Two, a dejected soldier was sitting beside a broken-down jeep. When asked, "What's the problem, soldier?" he replied, "Fuckin' fucker's fucked."
A one-word language. I definitely consider its conjugations glorious.
On the other hand, I do agree with what some others have said, that when a word is over-used, it loses its impact. Fucking is something that should be done judiciously.
Buzsaw writes:
For the most part, my points relating to civil rights had nothing to do with race.
Part of the problem with articulation seems to come from a lack of circumspection. Did you really not stop to think about connecting the decline and fall of western civilization with Martin Luther King?

"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

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crashfrog
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Message 51 of 192 (591445)
11-13-2010 11:52 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Buzsaw
11-13-2010 10:13 PM


Re: Profanity And Racism
Many would, nevertheless, find it distasteful, especially in the public fora to the extent that Hooah and a few others use it.
If the word "fuck" is good enough for a century of men and women in the armed services who have risked life and limb in defense of our nation and its freedoms, then it's good enough to trip off my tongue and more than good enough for your poor unsullied ears.
It's called "adult language", Buz, because only the deeply immature complain about having to hear it. Words do not and cannot offend, Buz. Ideas offend, like the idea that the employers we suffer to do business in our public squares have some innate right to discriminate on the basis of race, sex, religion, or sexual orientation.

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Parasomnium
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Message 52 of 192 (591451)
11-14-2010 4:06 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by subbie
11-13-2010 12:21 PM


"...if that is how you spell it..."
subbie writes:
Fourth, get and use a spell checker.
I don't mind if someone misspells a word occasionally, but I have seen misspelled words followed by the interjection "if that is how you spell it". That it pure laziness, it shows that the writer suspects he or she has misspelled a word, but can't be bothered to check it. I have little or no patience for such people, because it reveals a sloppy attitude that usually extends past mere spell checking (fact checking, anyone?).

"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

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bluegenes
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Joined: 01-24-2007


Message 53 of 192 (591453)
11-14-2010 6:17 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by subbie
11-13-2010 12:21 PM


Oops!
subbie writes:
If you can't express an idea in 12 or fewer words, you shouldn't be writing about it. In most cases, when you write a sentence longer than that, you're trying to say too much in one sentence.
Oops! Some people are linguistically challenged, some are mathematically challenged, and some are conceptually challenged.
Your language in those two sentences is fine.

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frako
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Joined: 09-04-2010


Message 54 of 192 (591455)
11-14-2010 6:39 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Parasomnium
11-14-2010 4:06 AM


Re: "...if that is how you spell it..."
I don't mind if someone misspells a word occasionally, but I have seen misspelled words followed by the interjection "if that is how you spell it". That it pure laziness, it shows that the writer suspects he or she has misspelled a word, but can't be bothered to check it. I have little or no patience for such people, because it reveals a sloppy attitude that usually extends past mere spell checking (fact checking, anyone?).

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bluegenes
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Message 55 of 192 (591456)
11-14-2010 7:08 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by frako
11-14-2010 6:39 AM


Re: "...if that is how you spell it..."
Ialernvert. I've kwon auobt taht rrcareesh for yreas. It's ccreort taht we can urdatnnesd the stceneenes, but we cnonat raed tehm wtih the smae esae or at nrmaol seped, eplaclisey wehn lnog wrods are ielovvnd.

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purpledawn
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Message 56 of 192 (591457)
11-14-2010 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by crashfrog
11-13-2010 11:52 PM


Re: Profanity And Racism
quote:
If the word "fuck" is good enough for a century of men and women in the armed services who have risked life and limb in defense of our nation and its freedoms, then it's good enough to trip off my tongue and more than good enough for your poor unsullied ears.
As a former US Marine, I can tell you that the "f" word does not trip off my tongue (or my keyboard). It did not trip off my late father's tongue or my two uncles either. They were all Marines in the mid 50's.
I've had relatives in every branch of the service. When the family gathers together, I don't hear profanity.
I can also tell you that the word does not trip off a Marine's tongue with no regard to who they are talking to or the company surrounding them. They adjust to fit the "audience".
My late Ex-husband, who was also a Marine for over 15 years, was not adverse to using profanity; but he adjusted to the people around him. In mixed company or around children he didn't use it, when he was with his buddies playing sports or at the Enlisted Club drinking beers he used it. He was also a writer and he didn't use it in his general writing.
In my day, DI's were not allowed to use profane language in recruit training (still aren't today) and I didn't hear any while I was at Parris Island.
If the men and women in the armed services who have risked life and limb in defense of our nation and its freedoms can understand that profanity is not acceptable in all situations and can adjust accordingly, then I'm sure you can too.

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Dogmafood
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Message 57 of 192 (591462)
11-14-2010 9:07 AM


The Lost Art of Cursing
I would agree that cursing is a lost art. It definitely has a place.
My kids occasionally try out a new curse at home to gauge reaction and effect. It is usually quite humorous to hear and it is remarkable how appropriately they use them. I don't forbid them from cursing but explain that it is strong language and must be used correctly. When used properly they can be an effective multiplier of intensity. Used incorrectly and communication is diminished. When used in the presence of their grandmother it can lead to a smack upside the head.
I guess all of these points have been made. Anecdotally, if you are expressing your displeasure with an officer of the law or any other official, cursing will immediately get you classified as radical, belligerent, hysterical and irrational. You can call a policeman a simpleminded mouth breathing functionary but you can't call him a fucking pinhead.
I don't see any problem with cursing here. Censorship is, by far, the greater evil.

  
Buzsaw
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Message 58 of 192 (591466)
11-14-2010 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by crashfrog
11-13-2010 11:52 PM


Re: Profanity And Racism
crashfrog writes:
If the word "fuck" is good enough for a century of men and women in the armed services who have risked life and limb in defense of our nation and its freedoms, then it's good enough to trip off my tongue and more than good enough for your poor unsullied ears.
It's called "adult language", Buz, because only the deeply immature complain about having to hear it. Words do not and cannot offend, Buz.
Crashfrog, I was four years in the USAF from 1954-1958, working mostly in the flight line hanger office and in the office among enlisted men and officers. In the barracks I lived among flight line mechanics and technicians. Among these, there was a significant percentage who never resorted to profane expletives such as fuck, shit, etc, more so among the pilots and other officers than among the lower echelon.
I know times have changed significantly. With regard to both the military and in the work place, I've noticed a steady increase in the usage of profanity, especially among women and children. Rarely ever did you hear a woman use words like fuck and shit, etc sixty or seventy years ago. Children didn't dare to use them in the hearing of parents, by and large. Things began to change in the 1960s regarding many aspects in the US of A.
The same applies to referencing God in vain. Now very frequently I hear children referencing God in vain in stores and restaurants in the presence of their parents.
Here at EvC the only reason I've gone after Hooah for it is because of the way he chided me for the way I articulate. I have good friends who use profanity regularly. I will treat members of this cite equally in a respectful manner, including Hooah. I'm not a prude. That doesn't mean I respect the conduct of all.
There are folks whom I have a good deal more respect for, who regularly resort to profanity, than some who never use it. I've been cheated out of thousands of dollars on more than one occasion over the years by professing (I say professing) Christians who never ever resorted to profanity. I trusted them. OTO, I have been blessed by others who resorted to profanity regularly.
A crude speaking ex-felon who regularly uses profanity has my permission to roam my property whether or not I am home. Out of respect he rarely uses it in my presence without my mentioning it. He has gained my trust. He blesses me and I bless him as we help one another.
This thread has been good for us all. I sincerely appreciate the constructive criticism of you all. I have become aware that there was some validity in Hooah's charges, but certainly not to the degree which he described it. I will work to improve on communication skills in the future. Perhaps some other members will do so as well so as to make the cite even better than it is.
Imo, EvC has come a long way towards improvement from where it was seven years ago, thanks to Percy and others who've helped along the way.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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jar
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Message 59 of 192 (591468)
11-14-2010 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Buzsaw
11-14-2010 10:00 AM


It just keeps getting better.
Buz writes:
This thread has been good for us all. I sincerely appreciate the constructive criticism of you all. I have become aware that there was some validity in Hooah's charges, but certainly not to the degree which he described it. I will work to improve on communication skills in the future. Perhaps some other members will do so as well so as to make the cite even better than it is.
Buz, you are a marvel.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 60 of 192 (591470)
11-14-2010 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by bluegenes
11-14-2010 7:08 AM


Re: "...if that is how you spell it..."
bluegenes writes:
Ialernvert. I've kwon auobt taht rrcareesh for yreas. It's ccreort taht we can urdatnnesd the stceneenes, but we cnonat raed tehm wtih the smae esae or at nrmaol seped, eplaclisey wehn lnog wrods are ielovvnd.
What bothers me most about that post is that you used the word "kwon" instead of "on".
ABE:
As it happens, I did misunderstand what you wrote. I mistook, "I've known about that research for years," for something like, "I've no doubt that...."
Mind you, I do the same thing when there are no spelling mistakes. Careful reading is just as important as careful writing.
Edited by ringo, : Completely chnaged the point of the post.

"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

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