Wrong. We are happy to discuss that very topic in public debate, in fact we insist on it being discussed.
You were just told that science research doesn't involve public debate, and this is because public opinion is irrelevant to what counts as valid science, yet you wish to repeat exactly the same claim in which it does.
I don't think any more need be said on that.
The fact that you distinguish debate from ID research demonstrates you know nothing of either
Actually, no, it indicates that Taq knows the difference between the two.
Perhaps in ID Crazyland "research" and "public debate" are synonymous, but out here in reality, they aren't.
what he was defending was a misunderstanding of evidence and how it works, or he simply overlooked it or was not presented it, correctly
Hmm, you mean evidence like what was presented to
him them? Funny thing is, the witnesses that creotards presented admitted that ID was of a religious nature and the scientific community demonstrated that it was not science. And guess what? It happened that they used that evidence and made their decision
not once,
not twice,
not thrice,
not even just four times,
but five times!
That's a total of 12 judges.
Presiding on 5 different cases, all in different courts.
Over a period of 3 decades.
This was not a simple error of the defense "not presenting it correctly", or of "overlook{ing}" the evidence or of the judge "misunderstanding" it. The fact is, in both law and science, that ID/creationism is religion, not science.
Every time I think you couldn't be more wrong, I'm forced to lower my opinion of you yet again. You are entirely incorrect on the issue at hand.
ID has to do with whether it is evidential or applicable, Im not sure why you think it has to have secular value to be valid
Because science is by definition secular. You know, all those rules about falsifiability and parsimony and not dealing with the supernatural and stuff?
If it isn't of secular value, it obvoiously has no secular aspects, therefore it clearly can't be science. Because you see, no matter how badly your cult might wish to change the definition, science does not concern itself with religion at all.
Edited by Nij, : Further phrase.