BarackZero writes:
Dr Adequate writes:
BarackZero writes:
Then show the evolutionary diagram from our nearest invertebrate ancestor to Homo sapiens, and label each and every branch by genus and species.
Show me your family tree from Adam, labeling each individual by name ...
No?
Ah well then, your fiction of having so-called "ancestors" is exploded. Obviously you were poofed out of thin air by magic.
Darwinists are nauseatingly arrogant and condescending.
In the ancient world when printed material was scarce and precious, scholarship included the memorization of entire documents, such as the Torah (the first 5 books of the Old Testament), AKA "The Law".
Around 20 BCE (about 50 years before the ministry of Jesus, which purportedly started around 30 CE), an arrogant gentile was going from school to school and challenging the head rabbi of each school to recite the whole of the Torah while standing on one foot. The usual response he got was exactly what he so richly deserved: they would run him off the property and down the road. However, when he got the Pharisees, Rabbi Hillel replied with a Pharisee teaching, the Golden Rule:
quote:
Do not to others that which is displeasing to yourself. That is the whole of The Law; the rest is just explanation. Now go and learn it.
BZ, the arrogance of that gentile should be glaringly obvious even to you. It was with the exact same kind of arrogance that you hurled your totally unreasonable challenge at AdminNosy. You then accused Dr. Adequate and all other "evolutionists" of arrogance when Dr.A had simply presented your own
arrogant challenge back to you so you could see it for what it was. It was obviously displeasing to yourself, so what do you do it to others? Rather than project your own unbridled arrogance upon others, you need to address it in yourself.
Dr Adequate writes:
Creationists are funny.
Well, it's true. Or to quote philosopher of science Michael Ruse:
quote:
Creationism is more fun than science!
That statement is based on examination of several creationist claims, all of which are not only blatantly false, but also supendously false. If somebody wanted to write an outrageous spoof of science, then "creation science" would provide them with a vast wealth of material.
How long have you been studying "creation science" and its claims? Many of the participants here have been for several years; I've been doing so for nearly 30 years, starting back in 1981. That's kind of an important date, since that is when the tide had started to turn. You see, after Epperson vs Arkansas (1968) had invalidated barring the teaching of evolution for religious purposes (thus ending a four-decade ban) anti-evolutionists then redressed their teachings to superficially remove explicit religious references (eg, "God", "Bible", quoting Bible verses), AKA "Hiding the Bible", and then started their public relations campaign to claim that their objections to evolution were purely scientific -- obviously a fraud being perpetrated to circumvent the courts. Starting in the 1970's, creationists went on the road and staged "debates" which they usually "won" due both to their dishonest tactics but also to their opponents' ignorance of "creation science". So those opponents started studying "creation science" and very quickly discovered how its lies had been constructed (eg, through misquoting and misrepresentation) and they put together responses to those claims. So starting around 1979, creationists started losing those debates, though the creationists' publications (eg, the ICR's
Acts & Facts) would lie and claim victory instead.
So around 1980 is when most of the classic creationist claims were examined and refuted and those refutations were published. And every time one of those claims would be presented yet again, it would be refuted yet again. Since those claims are constantly being presented, they have been given a name here,
PRATT, "point refuted a thousand times".
Now, the reason why I asked how long you've been studying creationism is because of the PRATT phenomenon. You see, the sad fact is that creationists don't last very long. Since their claims and beliefs are contrary-to-fact, they can only maintain those beliefs if they can avoid having to examine their claims, something that they cannot avoid with engaging in discussions of those claims. In addition, new creationists come along all the time, all of them being fed those same old PRATT claims from the same old creationist books that have been around since the 1970's and 1980's -- even the more recent books are mostly recycled old claims from those early years. Furthermore, those books never tell their readers about those claims ever having been refuted and, indeed, will even claim that scientists have never been able to respond to those claims. And each new generation of creationists comes along and feeds from that same old trough of misinformation and then join the fray with their PRATTs (some former creationists describe it as gathering ammunition to join the fight against evolution, only to discover that they'd all been given nothing but blanks). And each new generation of creationists gets shot down in flames, causing them to either lose their faith or else slink off and hide -- or worse, continue to use those PRATTs to proselytize while running away in terror when they encounter anyone knowledgeable in the subject.
OTOH, since "evolutionists'" understanding of the world is in agreement with the facts and with the evidence, we only find confirmation of that understanding and we even get to learn more and more in the process, unlike creationists who must continually work to reinforce their ignorance.
So, BZ, how long have you been at this?
Edited by dwise1, : The Rabbi Hillel quote
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