Is there empirical evidence for dark matter and dark energy?

Hi Yrreg,I'll give you the same definition of empirical evidence that I gave Dawn Bertot: For this discussion the definition of evidence is anything that is apparent to our senses. If we can see, touch, hear, feel or taste it, it's evidence. Evidence that is indirect is still valid evidence. For instance, the reading on a thermometer is valid evidence of the temperature, even though we're not feeling the temperature directly. Much forensic evidence is indirect evidence, such as blood stains and fingerprints.If you agree with this definition then I can promote this thread.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Thread copied here from the Is there empirical evidence for dark matter and dark energy? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

Those two sentences do not convey the same meaning, and the 2nd sentence was not my understanding of the topic when I promoted it.Closing this down.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director