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Author Topic:   Is there empirical evidence for dark matter and dark energy?
NoNukes
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Message 19 of 26 (584538)
10-02-2010 1:41 PM


What constitutes evidence
Evidence is simply any fact which make a proposition more likely than would be the case if the fact were not present. Even facts which increase the likelihood by a small amount are still evidence supporting the proposition.
Evidence should be distinguished from proof which be an utterly convincing collection of evidence.
Sometimes the same facts will support multiple plausible, but contradictory propositions. In that case perhaps the evidence is not sufficient for our needs without still more evidence.
Using the above definition, I think it is clear that there is empirical evidence for dark matter. But the same facts are also empirical evidence that our understanding of gravitation is flawed.

NoNukes
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Message 25 of 26 (584592)
10-02-2010 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Yrreg
10-02-2010 6:04 PM


Not Proven...
Yrreg writes:
The title of this thread as given by me is:
Is there empirical evidence for dark matter and dark energy?
And the way I understand the title is conveyed in the following sentence also in my own words:
Is there the existence of empirical evidence proving the existence of dark matter and dark energy
Those are two separate questions. There is empirical evidence that dark matter and dark energy exist, but the evidence does not prove their existence.
Nearly every other poster has said something similar using different words. As per your request, I have not used the "p" word.
I'm more interested in your own acceptance of dark matter and energy as facts. I hope discussion of that is on topic here.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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