What I have read from the messages here is more toward warning not to dabble in ouija board activities, because it can lead to disasters even to death of participants or family members and friends of participants who don't dabble in the board.
Who in this thread has warned you about the dangers of dabbling in ouija board activities? If I were a betting man I'd say you're having this whole discussion in your head, and because you delude yourself that your replies are the only reasonable responses you assume those are the ones we must be making. Clue: we are not saying any of the things you have us saying.
There seems to be a hurry to dismiss the ouija board, owing as I said to the fear of disasters presumably from the spirits contacted; but no one has attempted any speculations as to why the spirits want to do harm to people.
What hurry? The ouija board isn't new technology that's being written off without a fair hearing. It's just an incredibly stupid idea that if the mind survives the body its greatest ambition is to tell me I once had a dog named Muff-muff.
So, my conclusion from reading about accounts by people who profess to have studied the ouija board is that it is a way and means by which unwittingly the participants talk about themselves either honestly or dishonestly; but if you are clever you will realize that if you would look at the ouija board positively, it is an easy and economical method to get to know oneself which one then can then employ for self-guidance in life, as I said to pursue life, liberty, and the attainment of happiness.
If one is honest with oneself one doesn't need a ouija board to lie to oneself about the origin of the knowledge of ones short comings.
The bus doesn't get out our way much, does it?
Kindly
A mind changed against its will is of the same opinion still.
What I have read from the messages here is more toward warning not to dabble in ouija board activities, because it can lead to disasters even to death of participants or family members and friends of participants who don't dabble in the board.
No idea why you think that: the responses in this thread only seem to say it's a load of old bollocks and parlour tricks.
Yreeg writes:
There seems to be a hurry to dismiss the ouija board, owing as I said to the fear of disasters presumably from the spirits contacted
No one has said this, Yreeg. No one at all.
Yrreg writes:
it is an easy and economical method to get to know oneself which one then can then employ for self-guidance in life,
No it is not. Sigh. Go back and read this thread.
Yrreg writes:
Allow me to invite you to join me in a new thread on the role of nature in random mutation and in non-random natural selection.
I am not dropping the ouija board subject, but I have not come....
I am not dropping the ouija board subject, but I have not come to any really laboratory examination of the ouija board.
Now, I have read from people who did dabble in ouija board that they have seen the planchette move even without any participant touching it, or it being attached in any manner to anything mechanical or visible or detectable by 'empirical' means and ways to the planchette as to move it surreptitiously.
Read the debunkers of ouija board and tell me if they also take up the reports of planchette moving by itself without any participant touching it.
About interest in evolution in biology, as it is the idea the basic idea that is, that is now the backbone of all understanding of the observable universe, if you will look up my other threads I am sure you will find my posts on evolution, and I always ask the question what is it in random mutation or change that it is always so lucky as to not get randomly destroyed by the next instance of random mutation itself, and what is the nature in natural selection that it has a bias for preserving what it selects t be preserved.
Re: I am not dropping the ouija board subject, but I have not come....
Now, I have read from people who did dabble in ouija board that they have seen the planchette move even without any participant touching it, or it being attached in any manner to anything mechanical or visible or detectable by 'empirical' means and ways to the planchette as to move it surreptitiously.
Read the debunkers of ouija board and tell me if they also take up the reports of planchette moving by itself without any participant touching it.
People saying stuff is not very evidential. I can say that I've seen a pig with wings. But you would be wise not to take my word for it if I claimed something so extraordinary.
Re: I am not dropping the ouija board subject, but I have not come....
if they can get the board to work without touching it let them film it from 3 angles simultaneously one from the side of the table so you can see under it and can also see a bit of the participants and another angle from above where you can sea the board and the participants. and blindfold the participants the one who is writing things down should be 2 meters from the board and visible by both cameras the 3d camera should film the whole room from a wall opposite the angle of the second camera if you can get this kind of footage i doubt you would not be able to get a scientist to test you in a lab.
Re: I am not dropping the ouija board subject, but I have not come....
This is Free For All, so naturally you're free to approach this any way you like, but you sound serious about this. If that is the case then you need to get serious about gathering evidence. Anecdotal reports are not evidence. Get yourself a Ouija board and begin experimenting.
One good thing to try is using it with and without blindfolds.
Another good thing to try is asking questions where:
Re: I am not dropping the ouija board subject, but I have not come....
I see you have found no research for ouijs boards: ask yourself why?
The reason why is that it is bollocks. People get it into their heads that the dead can comunicate with the living and they will jump on the ideomotor effect and call it communication.
Now that you know about ideomotor effects what possible reason can you have believe people who claim to have seen the planchette move unaided?
Think: if dead peoples spirits could talk to us, why don't they all talk to us? Why is it only people using these silly boards? You would think they would all be shouting at us but apparently all they can must is to tell us about Lyx2no's dog Muff-Muff.
Re: From witnesses to theory of spirits' existence
quote:Time to get together all the testimonies of history and all the men and women today who have contacts with spirits, to get a theory on spirits' existence formulated, so that we can have a science of spiritology.
I realize that logic, reason, and reality show no evidence of a spirit world. It is entirely a matter of belief, speculation, and unsupportable experiences or claimed experiences by others.
I would say that people will tend to get useful information when they seek useful information through any source necessary. We often seek confirmation for beliefs and outcomes that we desire confirmation from.
Personally, I believe that spirits exist. Why I believe this? Good question!
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I see you have found no research for ouijs boards: ask yourself why?
The Great Eastern Ouija and Teleport Company has successfully sued every organization that has begun research claiming Trade Secret Protection. Unfortunately they hold the Grandfathered Universal and Transcendental Rights (valid until Hell freezes over) to the process and show no signs of allowing any infringement or research into their methods.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
Here is a clip from Penn and Teller's excellent Bullshit! series, on the subject of ouija boards. Astonishingly, they're not impressed. It's not that heavy on information, but it does contain some entertaining mockery of idiots in stupid witch outfits.
About thinking outside the box, consider that there is the biggest box anyone...
About thinking outside the box, consider that there is the biggest box anyone thinking intelligently should be thinking inside.
Well, to be thinking outside the box you have got to know in what box you are thinking outside of.
And consider whether the box you think that others are thinking inside encapsulates the box you are thinking inside.
Now, imagine if you dare a box that is bigger than the one you and the others are thinking inside respectively.
So, the way to think this is to imagine a box that is bigger than any box you and anyone else are thinking inside.
Is there such a box that contains all the boxes people are thinking inside?
To me there is, and it is the box of existence as opposed to non-existence.
Call that biggest of boxes that contains all other boxes whatever, the box of thing(s) as opposed to nothing.
Is nothing then you will tell me the biggest box because it surrounds the box of thing(s)?
If you want to quibble it's your choice, but you can't think inside nothing and about nothing.
So stop quibbling and concentrate on thing(s).
What are examples of things?
Anything and everything you have a concept of and there is a word already used by thinking people to refer to it.
Now, if you have a concept and you give it a name, then that is something that you can invite people to think with you about it.
Conclusion: to think outside the box means to think within the box of thing(s), i.e., everything that is already put in the mind of a human and there is a name for it already also given by a human and used by fellow humans to refer to the concept.
Practical questions:
What is the box enthusiasts of the theory of evolution box themselves in? Socalled random mutation and natural selection, which if they think intelligently about them are also closeted in a box that is encapsulated in a bigger box, but the enthusiasts are afraid to think outside their self-dungeon of a box.
What is the box enthusiasts of the Big Bang theory box themselves in? The mental space between on the one end the point of the Big Bang socalled and the limit of the expanding observable universe, but there is a bigger box containing the metal space between these two boundaries of the point of the Big Bang beginning and the ballooning edge of the expanding observable universe.
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