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jar
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Message 226 of 386 (576314)
08-23-2010 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by John 10:10
08-23-2010 5:21 PM


Evidence for authority or inspiration
So you have no support for the Bible being authoritative or inspired.
How do you explain the fact that there is not even one universal Canon?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Coragyps
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Message 227 of 386 (576315)
08-23-2010 5:27 PM
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08-21-2010 2:31 PM


Re: Please pick & choose to find if God's plan of salvation in Christ Jesus is different?
I wanna see some examples of bad Bible translations next. Is the Brick Testament one? It's pretty literal, and may be even more popular with children than the GNT! Joshua 5:2-8 particularly!

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ringo
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Message 228 of 386 (576341)
08-23-2010 6:35 PM
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08-23-2010 5:13 PM


Re: Please pick & choose to find if God's plan of salvation in Christ Jesus is different?
John 10:10 writes:
It's not the different plans of salvation in Christ Jesus which have resulted in so many different Christian denominations.
It's more about the many different denominations emphasizing different truths about how to live godly in Christ Jesus.
And the Bible is sending the message about which truths to emphasize. They're getting different messages, which makes the Bible a pretty unreliable source.

Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

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bluescat48
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Message 229 of 386 (576366)
08-23-2010 9:55 PM
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08-23-2010 5:17 PM


Re: Please pick & choose to find if God's plan of salvation in Christ Jesus is different?
They have not gotten to the end of life's journey yet, nor have they faced the final judgment.
Providing there is such a thing as as a final judgment. Tiger wood broke the "11th" commandment. Thou shalt not get caught.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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John 10:10
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Message 230 of 386 (576491)
08-24-2010 9:50 AM
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08-23-2010 5:24 PM


Re: Please pick & choose to find if God's plan of salvation in Christ Jesus is different?
Yes, the truth of Prov 28:13 caught up with Tiger,
"He who covers his sins will not prosper."
Maybe he and others should take heed to the rest of the verse.
"But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy. "
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John 10:10
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Message 231 of 386 (576494)
08-24-2010 9:55 AM
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08-23-2010 5:25 PM


Re: Please pick & choose to find if God's plan of salvation in Christ Jesus is different?
I hope you are as confident that it will never happen as I am confident that the Lord Jesus has "the keys of death and of Hades."
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Coragyps
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Message 232 of 386 (576499)
08-24-2010 10:17 AM
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08-24-2010 9:50 AM


Re: Please pick & choose to find if God's plan of salvation in Christ Jesus is different?
"He who covers his sins will not prosper."
Yeah, poor Mr Woods is practically in bankruptcy.......
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John 10:10
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Message 233 of 386 (576567)
08-24-2010 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by jar
08-23-2010 5:25 PM


Re: Evidence for authority or inspiration
jar writes:
quote:
How do you explain the fact that there is not even one universal Canon?
Let's assume for a moment there was "one universal Cannon (Bible)." In order for everyone since New Testament times to be able to read this Bible, either everyone would have be able to read the Bible in this one universal Bible language, or this one universal Bible would have to be translated into the thousands of world languages.
But God did not choose to reveal Himself to man in this way. God chose to reveal Himself to about 39 different writers in both the OT & NT, all leading to God's plan of salvation for man in Christ Jesus. The OT was written in Hebrew, and the NT in Greek.
Since one universal language is not practical, Bible missionaries/translators have been taking the primary message of God's plan of salvation for man in Christ Jesus to the world's people for the last 2000 years. There are about 6900+ spoken languages in the world, with about 2000+ that have no portion of the Bible.
You may disagree with the purpose and process of Christians doing this, or if they have done this accurately, that is your choice.
But the only truth you will have to answer for is this:
What did you do with God's plan of salvation in Christ Jesus that was offered to you?

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jar
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Message 234 of 386 (576568)
08-24-2010 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by John 10:10
08-24-2010 2:39 PM


Re: Evidence for authority or inspiration
Let's assume for a moment there was "one universal Cannon (Bible)."
We don't have to do that. We know for a fact that there is not "one universal Cannon (Bible)."
In order for everyone since New Testament times to be able to read this Bible, either everyone would have be able to read the Bible in this one universal Bible language, or this one universal Bible would have to be translated into the thousands of world languages.
A Canon has nothing to do with language. It is only the list of which books are included.
The rest of your post is irrelevant to the topic.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Kapyong
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Message 235 of 386 (576583)
08-24-2010 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 233 by John 10:10
08-24-2010 2:39 PM


Re: Evidence for authority or inspiration
Gday,
John10:10 writes:
Let's assume for a moment there was "one universal Cannon (Bible)."
Why?
There is NO universal canon.
There are several canons :
* Catholic
* Protestant
* Orthodox
* Ethiopic
Why do you want to assume something that is not true?
(And why did you change Jar's correct spelling of 'canon' into 'cannon'? Do you really not even know how to spell this word you are arguing about?)
John10:10 writes:
In order for everyone since New Testament times to be able to read this Bible, either everyone would have be able to read the Bible in this one universal Bible language,
Language has nothing to do with the canon - you have confused two completely different concepts.
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Message 236 of 386 (576584)
08-24-2010 5:09 PM
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08-24-2010 2:39 PM


Re: Evidence for authority or inspiration
But God did not choose to reveal Himself to man in this way. God chose to reveal Himself to about 39 different writers in both the OT & NT, all leading to God's plan of salvation for man in Christ Jesus. The OT was written in Hebrew, and the NT in Greek.
Men chose those books and writers. Men also chose to exclude many of those gospels, including the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Mary of Magdalene. There is no telling how many other gospels were excluded that we now have no record of.
What did you do with God's plan of salvation in Christ Jesus that was offered to you?
The same thing that you are doing with the teachings of Buddha.

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lfen
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Message 237 of 386 (576634)
08-24-2010 9:22 PM
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08-24-2010 2:42 PM


Re: Evidence for authority or inspiration
I think it would be interesting but I don't know if it would be helpful to come up with a common denominator canon that comprises only those books that are found in each of the extant bibles. There could be a comparison of the versions of the individual books used.
Have those interested in ecumenical undertaken a project along those lines?
Just curious what a least common denominator bible might look like.
peace, lfen

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jar
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Message 238 of 386 (576636)
08-24-2010 9:24 PM
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08-24-2010 9:22 PM


Re: Evidence for authority or inspiration
The only common denominator is the first five books of the OT. That is the Samaritan Orthodox Canon. It limits "Scripture" to those books that had likely been canonized at the time of Jesus.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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John 10:10
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Message 239 of 386 (576655)
08-24-2010 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by ringo
08-23-2010 6:35 PM


Re: Please pick & choose to find if God's plan of salvation in Christ Jesus is different?
ringo writes,
quote:
And the Bible is sending the message about which truths to emphasize. They're getting different messages, which makes the Bible a pretty unreliable source.
The Bible does no such thing. The Bible is God's "whole counsel" on how God has chosen to reveal Himself to man, and how man can come into right relationship with Him through the Lord Jesus Christ. There will be only one denomination that will live with God forever, those that have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.

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ringo
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Message 240 of 386 (576658)
08-25-2010 12:18 AM
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08-24-2010 11:53 PM


Re: Please pick & choose to find if God's plan of salvation in Christ Jesus is different?
John 10:10 writes:
ringo writes:
And the Bible is sending the message about which truths to emphasize. They're getting different messages, which makes the Bible a pretty unreliable source.
The Bible does no such thing. The Bible is God's "whole counsel" on how God has chosen to reveal Himself to man, and how man can come into right relationship with Him through the Lord Jesus Christ. There will be only one denomination that will live with God forever, those that have been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.
That's even worse than what I said. If only one denomination is getting The Right Answer™ out of the Bible, then the Bible is even more unreliable than I thought. (What denomination would that be, anyway?)

Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

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