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Um... nobody here has suggested "sweeping disarmament".And should I take "hardly anybody ever has to" as an admission that your claim of thousands of home invasions in Canada is bullshit? As I mentioned earlier, we pay professionals to do that. I've also put literally zero thought into how to do surgery on myself. I do think tactically about how to avoid hitting deer on the highway because I'm much more likely to get killed that way.

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Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

Hrm, that was one of the lessons in the wilderness survival course I took in college... Maybe you should reconsider.Or just stay out of the woods, city-boy Which you could do, as opposed to doing 'not getting your house broke into'.I think its worth considering and trying to be prepared.

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"By failing to prepare you are preparing to fail."
-- Ben Franklin

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As I already said, I am prepared. I lock my doors.

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Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

I can't imagine that Stubblejump would have one of the highest crime areas in Canada. I went to high school not too far down the road in "the Hat" and we didn't even lock our doors normally. That was a few decades ago however.However, I agree with you on the gun thing. I would contend that there are far more lives lost by the misuse of guns, than there are lives saved because someone was able to defend themselves with one.

Which would suggest that you just don't want people defending themselves... but: Using a gun is reasonable force and proportionate response to someone who has broken into your house. Well, I have ideas... but yes. And a lot of laws are like that. This one is no different. They might be, but it hasn't been shown to me that they are. They're "in place" as they're written into the law. I'm not a lawyer. Wait, what exactly was your problem with "My Plan"?You said the "Crux of the issue" was basing it on my belief, but what else I am supposed to base it on in a case of self defense?

So do I, but locks are for honest people. They ain't gonna prevent somebody from breaking into your house.That's just naivity.

How do you calculate the lives saved?

*shrug* Check Wikipedia if you don't believe me.Yes, it is surprising because it's really very safe here - and I live two blocks from the wrong side of the tracks.-------------ABE:I just had to post this to show what a joke country Canada can be: Bikers who hang out at Tim Hortons can't be all bad.Edited by ringo, : Added link.

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Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

Yep, they are.(I did say upthread that I had been burgled. Maybe I should have said "attempted burgled" because they didn't get past my locks.)

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Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

Sorry if it came across as anything more than my opinion.

No, not every B&E is a life-or-death scenario. Most burglars want to hit you when you're not home. According to the Canada Centre for Justice Statistics, there are 25 home invasions per 100,000 people every year (it's pretty stable.) That's over 8000 home invasion crimes annually.And, of course, we're not just talking about home invasions but any kind of threat to one's person. To follow you around and be prepared to protect your person at a moment's notice? Canadian health care is famously generous (by US standards) but I doubt it extends to personal bodyguards for every citizen.Oh, maybe you were talking about police? Unfortunately you don't pay police for that - according to court rulings in both of our countries police have no constitutional duty to protect individuals from harm.

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The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.

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Neither in the US nor in Canada can you reasonably rely on the police for your protection, as they have no constitutional duty to come to your aid or protect you. You yourself are both the first and last line of defense in any personal conflict.

Sorry if it came across as anything more than a question...but it does leave me wondering where your proclaimed contention is going to be

You ever heard of lock-bumping?

Nope, they aren't.Now what? Good thing the burglar was honest enough to stop at the lock and not actually break in...

That would be 50 home invasions per year in my town, almost one per week. Frankly, I find that number ludicrous, unless you're using a very loose definition of "home invasion". The one I'm using is something like "the act of burglarizing a private and occupied dwelling for the purpose of committing a violent crime (such as robbery, assault, rape or murder) against the occupant(s)." wikiMy estimate would be close to none. And as I've said before, I've been doing that quite nicely for decades without a gun. So has everybody else I know.

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Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.