banning burqas

Hi Chimp,Just for reference; I absolutely agree. Much as I have spoken up for the rights of Muslims in this thread, I have nothing but disdain for Islam, which in my opinion stands out as easily the world's vilest mainstream religion. The poor treatment of women in Islamic cultures, of which dress-codes are a part, is one of the reasons I feel this way.Mutate and Survive

Our rights are affected in all laws, including the civil rights laws. We don't have the right to choose who we employ or who we rent to, etc. We don't have the right to go naked down the street or carry a concealed pistol in most states. A burga may be more dangerous in some respects than a concealed pistol.I've been focusing on the danger element of this. Others have cited the civil rights element where Islam allows a man to wear a t shirt while his woman must wear the burga. I wonder how that would fly if Christians required women to wear these things in 105 degree weather while the man goes side by side in a t shirt and shorts.I wouldn't advocate banning Muslims any more than the nation of Israel does. There's hundreds of thousands of them happily in Israel, but they are subject to the laws of the land. I understand there is a bill on the table in Israel to ban burgas there, somwhat like what is in France.

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Three states in America have have concealed pistol rights. They have the lowest crime rate in the nation.

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Err, no. 3 states have unrestricted concealed weapon rights but may more have the similar rights with some (often few) restrictions.
Alaska, Arizona and Vermont are the three that I presume you refer to, where concealed weapons may be carried with no restrictions?
They do not have the lowest crime rates in the nation - in fact nowhere near.
For 2008 the murder rates have Arizona 12th, Alaska 28th and Vermont 38th (where 1st is most murders).
The picture is similar for violent crime stats. Where on earth did you get your figures from? Or did you just invent them?Federal Bureau of Investigation
Crime Rate by State, 2006Edited by Bikerman, : To add references for supplied data.

Even if this were true, which of course, it isn't, think about how many guns can be concealed under a burqa. Clearly, the more burqa's there are, the safer it becomes.Thank you for destroying your own argument.

Thanks for the reference on the different forms of dress and I'm glad we've finally agreed on something quite important.

As already noted, in the overwhelming majority of states you do have the right to carry a concealed pistol. Also, speaking from a British point of view, you have the right to walk down the street naked.In no respect is a burqa more dangerous than a concealed pistol. Then they'd have an absurd and mysoginistic religion, but they would still be perfectly legally entitled to have an absurd and mysoginistic religion.

Tricky on the naked thing. I'd say you have the right to do it in the full knowledge that arrest might follow under our rather clumsy indecency laws.
As for Christians, those Nuns Habbits are not so different from a Burqua IMHO.....haven't seen any ban proposed yet tho.....Edited by Bikerman, : No reason given.

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I wouldn't advocate banning Muslims any more than the nation of Israel does. There's hundreds of thousands of them happily in Israel, but they are subject to the laws of the land. I understand there is a bill on the table in Israel to ban burgas there, somwhat like what is in France.

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The state of Israel can't ban muslims - much though it might like to - since its economy is very much dependant on local Arabs.
The proposed ban in Israel (if it is still live - it looked like being thrown out last time I checked) was redirected from muslims - it is/was aimed at a group of about 100 ultra-orthodox Jewish women who took to wearing the burqa some years ago.
http://www.thejc.com/node/36322
Interestingly this has made a couple of high-profile Jewish commentators look very foolish. Not too long ago they were writing little editorial pieces condemning France and holding up Israel as a model of tolerance in this regard.
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http://www.haaretz.com/...han-burka-obsessed-france-1.262659
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/...e_zuccehetto_next.htmlEdited by Bikerman, : No reason given.