how exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?

Because now the Israelis are safely surrounded by millions of angry Muslim jerks. Hoorah!Really, in hindsight, couldn't they all have moved to New York or something? You made it up, you supply the reason.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

Couldn't you say that about any proposed remedy to any evil?

Yes. But isn't that what it comes down to anyway? I mean, if you really wanted to persecute the Jews, them having their own nation isn't gonna stop you, now is it? It'll make it a lot harder, sure, but ultimately, not persecuting the Jews is only possible when you just stop doing it.

In '67 I was watching the news and events leading up to that war closely, being so interested in it. I well remember the headlines the week before the war. Nasser, Prime Minister of Egypt: WE WILL DRIVE ISRAEL INTO THE SEA and assented to by every Muslim nation in the region, all armed by Russian Mig fighters Russian tanks and Russian armament. ABE: Our interest in Israel not only related to keeping the militant expansionist Muslims of the region at bay, but to enhance our cold war ongoing at the time with Russia and the communist block of nations, all of whom also had a dog in the fight against tiny Israel, our only well armed ally in the gulf region. Edited by Buzsaw, : As noted.

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I assume you can show where I said I wanted to throw the Jews under the bus once again?You keep repeating your mantra but you never explain why you think it is relevant or valid.Why do we need Israel?How does the existence of Israel stop Jews from being persecuted?

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And so based on threats Israel attacked other nations.That is a war of aggression Buz. Israel invaded Egypt just as Israel has invaded Lebanon and Syria.But it still is irrelevant to the questions.How does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?

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Jar, this is your classic response; to offer some nutty objection and incessantly repeat the answered questions. You're making an ass and a nusiance of yourself and you're cluttering up the site, racking up more thousands of posts 24/7. Give us a break from yourself.

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Buz, once again you support my position.As you so kindly point out, the questions are still unanswered.

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And if you really wanted to commit murder, the law wouldn't stop you. But that's not a satisfactory argument against having penalties for murder. But unsuccessfully persecuting the Jews is possible when they can kick your ass into the middle of next week whether you try to persecute them or not.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

True. Also true. I guess I'm just too optimistic again, thinking people can be reasonable and not hate each other. Ah well, until that glorious day arrives, I guess having a state is the next best thing.

That is certainly a reason that Israel would make to explain their offensive capabilities, and it would be valid in that context, but I also need to point out that it ONLY involves the Nation of Israel, not "Jews". The existence of the Nation of Israel does not preclude Jews being oppressed anywhere else. It does NOT preclude another Holocaust or even another pogrom or expulsion.The question is not "Why do Israeli's need Israel", I believe that is pretty clear. The question is "Why do we need Israel?" and so far only a few reasons have been put forth.One reason mentioned was that we needed a military base. Reality though shows that we are precluded from using Israel as a forward base because US troops there would destabilize the region.A second and unfortunately even more plausible reason is to draw attention away from the US, for Israel to become the focus of hatred instead of the US.The third reason suggested is that the existence of Israel is somehow a requirement to hurry along Armageddon. Not sure why that would be something we need but look forward to seeing that explained.Neither of those seems to be very honorable so the question remains. Are they the only reasons we need Israel?Edited by jar, : fix sub-titleEdited by jar, : add the third reason that has been presented. Don't know how I missed that one

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I think some nutjob hacked into your account and is posting ridiculous comments on your behalf, Coyote. So your particular religion awards you the pick of any real estate on the planet you wish? No, no, certainly not any piece of property. For the actual location, we turn to the OT and try to decipher where in fact those chosen people (and thank god they were the chosen ones, if not, fuck 'em, right?) get to set up camp...forever. What can be more reasonable and fair than that?And if you dare question, why a jewish state? Well, the answer is quite simple... God promised it to them...in the book that they wrote. Forgive him, Caesar — he is a barbarian and considers that the customs of his tribe are the laws of nature. The same one the rest of us live in under. Why should that religion get any special treatment or consideration?If we care so much about persecution of a religion, and mass slaughter, the why hasn't anyone from the US or the UN done anything about Tibet? Why? cause fuck 'em, that's why...What can Tibet do for the US? Nothing.What kind of stratigic or military advancement can Tibet give the US? None.And yet we care about the jews for some reason? Bullshit. We need them and that piece of property... and that's the only reason the US helped establish that nation. I think some nutjob hacked into your account and is posting ridiculous comments on your behalf, Coyote.- Oni

I like rooting for the underdog. I'm pulling for Tibet also.And I am also wondering why the extreme left is so hateful when it comes to Israel, but falls over themselves for Castro and Chavez and the other socialist tinpot dictators. Riddle me that.

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I'll let them know, but really, they need the support and military aid from nations capable of doing that. But, for political reasons, they will get none.Why did the jews get special treatment?Was it religious persecution that awarded them that land, or was it a political and stratigic move on the part of the US and UN? Many, like you, also root for the underdog. Note that I don't hate Israelis, or jews, I have an issue with the political aspect of the forced occupation of that land. I feel it was dishonest to point to the Torah as a legitimate case for the jews receiving that land. The US wanted a military strong hold in the Middle East, that was the reason for Israel. But we're supposed to swallow some nonsense about that land being the land that god promised them?I would expect someone like yourself to agree that such a case, based on scriptural text, is bogus?- Oni

See Jar? This is what I mean. Just seven messages back I posted two additional reasons highlighted in pink, yet you simply waived them off calling for reasons, as you've incessantly been repeating all the way down thread from your OP.
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