how exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?

The just of my statement, Jar, was that as a nation, the Jews did not govern and occupy, perse, the walled city until 1967. Note that all relative to the Wailing Wall in my statement was that they celebrated their victory at that site.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Did you say "Most evangelicals were not predicting time frame. Aka, Buzsaw was predicting 70 years, give or take a few back in the 70s, based on Luke 21 when Jesus's prophecy of Gentiles being driven from Jerusalem, i.e. the 1967 Six Day War, when the Jews, for the first time after 19 plus centuries, marched into the old walled city of Jerusalem and celebrated at the Wailing Wall."?You do understand that for almost all of the last 2000+ years the Jews have had access to both Jerusalem and to the Wall?You do understand that the 1967 WAR was a war of aggression by Israel?How does Israel add stabilkity to the Middle East?Why do we need Israel?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

If you've read much of me regarding Roman Catholicism, i.e. the popes and bishops of Vatican City, you should know that I consider Vatican City to be the Mystery Babylon, the harlot false, (Revelation 17,18) non-Biblical and non-Christian persecuters via the bloody inquisitions of the Dark Ages.The message of these murderous imposters was not "recant and receive Jesus," but recant and become subjects of our tyranical theocracy or die.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

But again, you have not provided any support for your assertions.And how does that relate to Israel adding stability to the Middle East?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

That's wise of them.Every one that has predicted a time that has come to pass has been wrong.Every one!Starting about 1900 years ago, give or take a century.Sounds like a pretty poor track record to me.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

You'd rather see them all slaughtered?Been tried before. That led to the formation of Israel and the phrase, "Never again!"

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Both irrelevant and a false dichotomy.No one here is suggesting they should all be slaughtered.The question is, why is Israel needed?Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

What's the alternative if not slaughter?Concentration camps somewhere?Forced relocation to ghettos in Europe?If you don't have a suitable solution you probably should remain mute.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

I so far do not even see where there is a problem.The question is "Why do we need Israel"?If your answer is to house the Jews living there now, it still does not explain why a Nation State is needed.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

You're right.A concentration camp would do just as well.With their enemies in charge, just like in Poland and other places leading up to WWII. You should at least have the courtesy to remain silent.Given your radical opinions, I wonder why you even dare to utter them.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

I imagine you can show where I suggested a Concentration Camp or that their enemies should be in charge?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

You don't want the Jews to have their own nation.Under whose kind ministrations would you have them live?Their Arab neighbors? (Who have sworn to drive them into the sea.)The UN? (Fine job they are doing in Lebanon.)Maybe there are a few SS guards who haven't been caught who could fill in until new folks can be trained.(Remember the phrase, "Never again!"?)

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Please show where I have said that I don't want the Jews to have their own Nation?The question is, "Why do we need Israel"?If your answer is so that we don't have Jews living next door to us, then fine.Say that.If your answer is that the Jews are somehow a special pleading, then fine.Say that.But teh question is "Why do we need Israel"?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

And the answer is "Never again!"Don't you get it?Remember the holocaust? Surely you must remember that--it was in all the papers for a while.Israel means that it may, hopefully, not happen again.But there are so many people, mostly on the left, who would love to see the Jews thrown under the bus. I never could understand the reason for that, but that attitude seems to be getting more prevalent.This thread you started seems to be coming from that viewpoint.So let me ask you this: why do you want the Jews thrown under the bus once again?

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Really? Why would we need Israel for us to never persecute Jews again, can't we just, you know, not do it again?