how exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?

Yes, more and more research is being done all over the world on the ways that blood tests can replace a colonoscopy.Not exactly sure how that stabilizes the Middle East or why the US needs Israel.

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It supposedly stabilizes it in light of it being a relatively free society amongst nations that are more known for its repression. But I'm not really buying it. Jordan, for instance, is very modern. Isn't the question moot? It sounds as if it is a loaded question, as if you have specific plans for Israel.Whether we (whoever that is) needs Israel or not, they exist.

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Well, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon all have some form of democracy, Jordan of course being a Constitutional Monarchy. Jordan and Egypt are both pretty advanced countries and Lebanon was until recently. I'm not at all sure that repression is any worse in Jordan, Egypt, Syria or Lebanon than it is in Israel. The claim was made, by Buz not by me, that the US needs Israel. My question is "Why do we need Israel?"Some answers to that have been provided.The best reason given so far has been that the US needs Israel to act as a surrogate threat so that the US does not appear to be the bad guy.Edited by jar, : fix sub-titles

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And from Buz's standpoint, I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks we need Israel pertaining to the end times. After all, without Israel, this is supposedly not possible.

Hey Huntard,I don' know how to link other messages, but have a read:RAZD, Message 15 of 16 (523390), Israel-Palestine: The One State SolutionI think it one of the better summaries on the Israel-Palestine conflict. Kudos RAZD.If Buzz continues to be absent on this thread, maybe we can re-activate the other one if you have further thoughts as this specific topic is off-topic per Jar's request.

Well, until Buz shows up and explains why he thinks the US needs Israel I guess we won't know.So far his only attempt to explain his position was to provide a link to a news article from Binyamin Netanyahu. Of course, since Mr Netanyahu is the current Israeli Prim Minister that doesn't answer the question but might show why Israel needs the US.I wonder if Buz understands that the Israeli Prime Minister represents Israel's interests, not the US's interests.

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To link, peek at this. Message 15There is also a somewhat longer and indepth discussion of the Middle East at So let's look at why the Islamic world might be annoyed by the West?Edited by jar, : add second link

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You mean like this: Message 15Use the number (in this case 523390) that goes with the message and use the [mid=(number here)] dBcode.I've read the post (well skimmed it a bit, there's always so much to read in RAZD's posts), and I msut say I pretty much agree with everything I've read there. Yes, as usual, a pretty good post by RAZD. We could, but bear in mind that I do not have a pro-Israel stance, they do horrible things. My only thing in this thread was preventing a too one sided perspective being raised.

Yeah, he needs to substantiate it more. I wouldn't count on anything productive, really.

Well, I personally agree, but I'm giving the Western rationalization. Hell, I'd feel more comfortable in Dubai or Bahrain than I would in Israel. Israel spies on the US constantly and we don't do crap about it. If I were president, I wouldn't necessarily cut off all ties with Israel, but I certainly would stop giving them preferential treatment. If any of other middle-eastern nation was as aggressive about spying (on their own allies no less) as Israel is with the US, they'd be completely cut off.

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Hi everyone and thanks for the interesting topic jar ...
I hope things are well with you all ... Huntard appears spot on ...Something tells me that even if Buz makes the attempt to support his statement, it'll be done with such an enormous amount of political overgeneralizations - not to mention ambiguously forced theological pleading and rhetoric, that a great many of us, interested in his response, will be absolutely none the wiser.My hope is that's not the case. See above (& below) ... After reviewing the article at length it seems that your above proposition - regarding why Yisrael needs the US, may even fall short (if it hasn't already) ... LinkGranted - I have never held a political office; however, refusing to explain things rationally and instead relying on the imaginations of religious dogmatics and political demagogues to steer the ship clear of danger doesn't seem like an effective way to avoid icebergs. Perhaps the right wing is following suit ?? There's a sense that Buz doesn't separate these two nation's interests, but rather aligns them within his theologically inspired narrow fundamentalist worldview. However, I could be way off there and rather than speak for Buz or expose the complications that arise from a perception of that nature ...Hopefully he will use rational, reason and facts - rather than his imagination, and spell things out for us a bit clearer than he feels the Yisraeli PM has.One Love

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Critics may suggest that there are nations who hate Israel,(maybe justifiably so) who would eliminate it if they could. That has been the standard excuse for many years, at any rate.If the US stopped supplying Israel and if Israel were actually forced back to her pre 1967 borders, it would not foster peace any more than there is now, in my estimation.

Why? What supports your estimation?

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I think the U.S. "needs" to prevent another Holocaust from happening to the Jewish people but it's a far cry from preventing attacks on Israel to supporting attacks by Israel.

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The two state solution is the NEARLY universally accepted proposal by all countries including the arab/muslim nations: Two-state solution - WikipediaThe one country that continually and unilaterally vetoes this solution is the USA. It should come as no surprise that the US has done everything it could to prevent a peaceful solution for the last 40 years. Yet the US government and corporate media unilaterally portray the Palestinians as the bad guys who resist a peaecful solution.Why do you think this is Phat? Please name one nation who wants to eliminate Israel. Evidence please.You conclude with an opinion that revising past borders wouldn't create peace either. OK, if the two-state solution above wouldn't foster peace, what would? Please be specific. Edited by dronester, : full quote