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Author Topic:   Fossils, strata and the flood
anglagard
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Message 61 of 163 (558507)
05-01-2010 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Faith
05-01-2010 5:34 PM


Double Standard, Double Tongue
Faith writes:
I don't think geologists think such a thing, they just managed to not notice this is the implication of their system. I'm sure they think all the same kinds of events that go on now also went on during all those ages when life was supposedly evolving. But the actual evidence is that nothing happened to disturb all those strata for billions of years, no canyon cutting, no deep erosion, no rivers cutting gorges through them, no wind altering their horizontality, no mountains buckling them and lifting them up -- all that ONLY happened in "recent" time IF their theory is correct.
I find it interesting that you simultaneously complain about being misrepresented while misrepresenting what mainstream (99.85%) geologists and biologists state.
Why should anyone believe you over most everyone else on earth when you speak with a forked tongue?

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 837 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 63 of 163 (558510)
05-01-2010 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Faith
05-01-2010 8:12 PM


Re: The Accuser Strikes Again.
Which celestial body are you referring to?

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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anglagard
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Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 65 of 163 (558514)
05-01-2010 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Faith
05-01-2010 8:28 PM


Re: The Accuser Strikes Again.
Faith writes:
That you have to ask simply proves that you didn't understand what I said in the first place although you were quite willing to excoriate me for it anyway.
It does not matter to the science called geology as the principles of physical science are universal, what does matter is your inability to answer a simple question. To do so indicates you are debating in bad faith.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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anglagard
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Message 68 of 163 (558518)
05-01-2010 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by hooah212002
05-01-2010 8:39 PM


Invoking Ents
hooah212002 writes:
Smarter, more complex organisms ran faster to the safety of the hill tops.
Like the grasses and flowering plants that don't show up prior to the Cretaceous?
Maybe they were possessed by demons.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 837 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 70 of 163 (558522)
05-01-2010 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Faith
05-01-2010 8:12 PM


Inability to Rationally Communicate in English
Faith writes:
Then please show me that they believe that the strata were quietly laid down for billions of years during which time no erosion happened, no canyon cutting happened, no carving of hoodoos happened, no buckling of strata or raising of strata to mountains happened. Please.
From what I've read they all think these things happened in the past same as now. The evidence clearly shows that they didn't happen in the past, and I've never read anything that implies that geologists agree with what this evidence shows or even recognize it. I will take it back if you can show me they do. Better if they can actually explain it of course. That should be very amusing.
Bolded for emphasis.
No they happened in the future.
I can't engage in a serious debate with someone who is incapable of proper communication in the English language.

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anglagard
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Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 117 of 163 (559402)
05-09-2010 2:30 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by petrophysics1
05-08-2010 9:54 PM


Re: How deposition actually occurs and formations are made
petrophysics1 writes:
I’m hoping you take the time to look at it and think about it and expand your understanding of geology, something a lot of people on this site could use.
Great stuff, I also urge all to watch these movies, particularly the last two, in order to gain a deeper understanding of how things work in sedimentary geology and its affiliated fields.
The perfect antidote to the troll Architect-426's demonstrably false and simple-minded rants.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 118 of 163 (559403)
05-09-2010 2:49 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Percy
05-08-2010 7:53 AM


Appearance of Deception IMHO
Percy writes:
So many errors, so little time, so I pick this one:
Architect-426 writes:
quote:
"I read a bio of Hutton too...."
What is even more pathetic than this so called science of geology, which has its roots in evolution...
Hutton and the science of geology preceded Darwin and the theory of evolution:
James Hutton 1726-1797
Charles Lyell 1797-1875
Charles Darwin 1809-1882
Darwin took Lyell's books with him on the Beagle before he'd even thought of evolution.
I noticed this glaring mistake as I'm sure others did as well.
To me it casts doubt upon his claim that he ever read any biography on Hutton, or if he did, that his ability to read for comprehension is severely compromised by a physical or psychological defect.
I read, what to my knowledge, is the most recent biography of Hutton, am somewhat familiar with previous biographies, and must say it is impossible to come to any other conclusion.
That is unless Architect-426 read a four page pamphlet from Hovind or Baugh and refers to that as a comprehensive and vetted biography from a (choke) 'reliable' source.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 837 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 133 of 163 (563022)
06-02-2010 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Dr Adequate
06-01-2010 6:43 AM


I Thought Architecture Was More than Drafting
Dr Adequate writes:
Real architects don't have to know anything about the behavior of rocks at high temperatures and confining pressures. Indeed, nowadays architects rarely work with rocks.
True, but it does seem strange that a profession that at least used to deal with the strength and behavior of different materials (such as steel, wood, and glass) suddenly becomes utterly incapable of understanding there are different kinds of rocks and they have different properties. Obviously Architect-426 is incapable of understanding temperatures and pressures beyond those found on the earth's surface despite the fact such conditions can be duplicated in the lab.
So on those grounds it is possible that Architect-426 could puke out ignorant nonsense about geology and still be an architect.
I agree, unlikely, but still possible. My experience has shown however that creationists are often quite comfortable with blatant dishonesty and that lying about their credentials is of no great concern (as in Hovind and Baugh's phony PhDs).
However, that being said, I find it difficult to believe that anyone could be so darn stupid and still be an architect. If he is, then certainly I would never risk my life by entering any building that he's designed.
Well, it was an architecture grad student who introduced me to Ayn Rand, so they seem to be as subject to defending an over-simplistic dogma as most other professions.
Having said that, I must agree. I don't want to enter a building designed by someone who does not understand how stress, strain, and harmonic vibrations can act to change material properties under extreme conditions, such as earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, and acts of terrorism.
I would also hope every building is built upon a firm foundation, a concept that our aforementioned architect appears to have missed in more ways than one.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 837 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 134 of 163 (563023)
06-02-2010 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by roxrkool
06-02-2010 12:49 AM


Some People Make You Wonder, Others Do Not
roxrkool writes:
My main beef with architects is their penchant for calling all stone "granite." HELLO!! That's a two-pyroxene leuco-gabbro, not a granite. Sheesh!
Your credentials are obvious, no one other than a well trained geoscientist would use the term "two-pyroxene leuco-gabbro."
I'm just sayin' as a library administrator with a degree in geological engineering (but of course, I knew that from the first post of yours I read).
That is a lot more than I can say for some other posters here. I just wish my poor tom cat hadn't died a few weeks ago, he was much better at smelling a rat than I am.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 837 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 141 of 163 (564067)
06-08-2010 2:58 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by roxrkool
06-08-2010 2:24 AM


Re: Oh Lord...I need forgiveness...
roxrkool writes:
How does volcanism and a debris flow deposit limestone, coal, red sandstone, white sandstone, shale, etc.?
How does a person totally without any conception of the mechanics of any material become a supposed architect?
I suppose the answer will be limestone volcanoes, fossil volcanoes, granite volcanoes, even guano volcanoes (the last appearing most appropriate).
Somehow, I think someone is misrepresenting their credentials.
Probably because I have seen so many examples of evangelicals bearing false witness.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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