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AccountInactive Inactive Junior Member |
I've been soul searching and came to the conclusion that my dream must be a combination of different thoughts and clues picked up subconsciously, combined with my previous religious background.
And not to take this off-topic, but it is hard for me to take a God who is concerned with whether or not your beard is shaved or whether or not you wear tassels on your garments seriously. I don't know my "religion", per se, but I think for now I'm an agnostic. I simply don't know and really, unless "God" is merciful enough to tell me otherwise, don't even know if I care. I figure if "he" exists and has a great plan for our lives, its "his" perogative to tell me unmistakably. "He" hasn't done that yet and I think I'm going to just let my religious past go. But I'm still going to participate on these forums and try to learn new things. I love a good debate. Thanks for your thoughts. I hope to contribute more of my own soon.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I remember reading a portion of a book (I forget the title) that said humans dream as a result of their "primitive brain", back to when they were hunters and gatherers. I think in some people, this "primitive brain" can be stronger than in other's. I was curious if anyone else had heard of this or knew about it. Hence a "biological basis" for prophecy. The cerebellum kicks off when you dream. That's why you are paralysed in your sleep. Otherwise you would be acting out your dreams in bed. Some people wake up in this state. That's horrible, if it happens.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
xShinigamiEyesx writes: I figure if "he" exists and has a great plan for our lives, its "his" perogative to tell me unmistakably. "He" hasn't done that yet and I think I'm going to just let my religious past go. I try to remember that a God who actually is worthy of praise, wouldn't have any sort of need to go out and find Himself some people to praise Him. A God who is worthy of praise, would respect honesty. Therefore, without anything that actually shows a God's existence, a God who is worthy of praise would respect that existence being questioned. The answers from there depend on our priorities. Regardless of why or how we are here today. We are here today. We have a certain level of intelligence, and we are capable of discerning a basic fraction of fact from fiction in this world we find ourselves within. We can use these abilities we have to investigate as honestly as possible, or not. There is no absolute barrier forcing us to take one path over another (although many man-made, created barriers exist). My advice is to figure out your priorities. Personally, I find honesty about reality to be a much higher priority than being accepted into any specific social atmosphere. But there's no fundamental reason for such a hierarchy. Remember that you are the one who needs to live out the consequences of your decisions. There are many people who say many things, and many books that have recorded many possible histories. Just because people say they are important, doesn't make them so. The level of importance is personally judged by each and every one of us. Again, it all depends on our personal priorities.
But I'm still going to participate on these forums and try to learn new things. That, to me, is the best possible reason to have for participating in these forums. Of course, I'm a little biased since that's also my reason Have fun.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3260 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
Some people wake up in this state. That's horrible, if it happens.
This happened to me once. I was dreaming that I was lying in my bed at my parent's house after I had moved out. I opened my eyes, but I couldn't move, and the dream was still happening. I could see the corner of my walls and ceiling, which didn't differentiate my apartment bedroom from my bed room as a kid, so that didn't tip me off. I thought I heard a large dog-like monster outside my room growling and snarling, and then I thought I heard my mom calling my name and coming upstairs. I wanted to cry out and let her know about the monster, but I couldn't do anything. It was so real and freaky, and in my panic, I was able to force myself to sit up, which "broke the spell" and I knew where I was and what had happened. It was one of the weirdest and freakiest experiences in my life. I can definitely see how someone having a slightly different "dream" could believe they had been abducted by aliens.
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Bailey Member (Idle past 4392 days) Posts: 574 From: Earth Joined: |
Thanks for the exchange xShinigamiEyesx.
Hope things are well with you ... I've been soul searching ... Me too - mine will most likely be found in shreds near some 'church' or 'state' ... If you see a tattered soul w/ a 'Bailey' tag on it, lemme know and I'll return the favor.
... and came to the conclusion that my dream must be a combination of different thoughts and clues picked up subconsciously, combined with my previous religious background. Seemingly, a most reasonable conclusion ...
And not to take this off-topic, but it is hard for me to take a God who is concerned with whether or not your beard is shaved or whether or not you wear tassels on your garments seriously. C'mon now ... a clean shave & a tassle is pimp - lol
I don't know my "religion", per se, but I think for now I'm an agnostic.
I'm sure we know some similar types ... I know many 'religious' people who know nothing about 'their religion', with the possible exception of how to oppose it. Pure and undefiled religion before God the Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their misfortune and to keep oneself unstained by the world. Period. However, if the message of the Prophets, whose radical leftist traditons were recorded in Abrahamic scripture, has delivered me a bit of truth, I may suppose that promoting "religion" is not important. Fostering life is. Within the 'Gospels' selected by the RCC, Yeshua refers to three parts of the TaNaKh by name - the Torah (Law), the Nevi'im (Prophets) and the Tehellim (Psalms). If I may, I'd encourage you to explore 'the Law and the Prophets', as well as the Psalms; but beyond this, my friend, admonish: the writing of many books is endless, and excessive devotion to books is wearying to the body.
quote: quote: quote: quote: quote: Please Note - Yeshua HaMashiach did not disclose that he would consign war mongering usurpers to invent new chores for him.
I simply don't know and really, unless "God" is merciful enough to tell me otherwise, don't even know if I care. I figure if "he" exists and has a great plan for our lives, its "his" perogative to tell me unmistakably. "He" hasn't done that yet and I think I'm going to just let my religious past go. Congratulations. This is something that Yeshua's siblings, in cahoots with a bulk of religious mentalities including fundamentalist 'christians' (aka, born-again Pharisees), were, and are, most often unable to do. This process is commonly referred to as metanonia or teshuva and the watered down concept of 'repentance', as taught in christian circles, originally derived from these. A lil' scary at first, due to the joys and pains of indoctrination, yet enlightening and perhaps very rewarding. The religion of Yeshua, as recorded in the Gospels selected by the RCC, simply required teshuva (turning) and enumah (trust). This is the religion of the Prophets xShinigamiEyesx - turn and trust the Father.
But I'm still going to participate on these forums and try to learn new things. I love a good debate. lol - it may prove quite difficult to remain with your head buried in the sand 'round here, but the debating should prove invigorating. Moreover, if you decide to question church dogma as the prophets before you did, EvC will not ban you as many fundies do. Thanks for your thoughts and hope to see some more of your contributions soon. One Love
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AccountInactive Inactive Junior Member |
Actually, Bailey, I was a Hebrew Roots Christian, so I'm familiar with much of the logic. I don't know if I would want to go back to "Torah obedience".
But seeing as that doesn't relate to the topic, I don't know if I should continue discussing it.
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Bailey Member (Idle past 4392 days) Posts: 574 From: Earth Joined: |
Thanks for the exchange xShinigamiEyesx.
Hope things are well ... Actually, Bailey, I was a Hebrew Roots Christian, so I'm familiar with much of the logic. I have a lotta good to say about the HRC and the RCC, yet this post will focus on other things; these communities appear much better at puffing up their own ego, than actually remaining critical and honest. That said, I feel obliged to warn you that I am often perceived as a 'bad influence' and that is your disclosure up front The religion I was speaking of in our last post did not involve any blood sacrifice; only mercy towards humanity. Not for nothin', but the Father does not desire sacrafice ... He desires mercy. Chances are this may come across harsh, though hopefully it will not; a Hebrew/Christian religion appears to be a deep well that has been poisoned twice. Within such religious thought, one must challenge the dogma of the stubborn jews and the wicked christians at the same time; at that point, we may as well throw in the Five Pillars of Islam, a couple camels and a hooka and make it a Abrahamic techno rave. That is a jam packed semester ... Within the RCC's selected gospels, Yeshua is depicted as being rejected as a devout follower of Yuhdaism. Granted, He did sport some tassels when He saw fit, but there is no evidence that He shaved ... Chances are, His idea of 'ToRaH obedience' would be no sooner accepted by the Hebrew Roots Christians steadily focused on worshipping their idol while practicing babylonian/christian paganism, than His version of 'ToRaH obedience' was accepted by the original gangsta Hebrews that rejected idol worship and paganism while, in cahoots wiz zee romanz, murdering HaMashiach. It is all but obvious, except to idol worshipping christians themselves, that if Yeshua dropped by a Roman Catholic church, or any of its splintered illegitimate love children that propagate blood libel, idol worship and paganism, that it would cause him great distress. I am unable to suppose how His reception at a Hebrew Roots community would fair any better. After all, the whole facade seems to be accomplished by pretending to be something that Yeshua was condemning, while, in addition, propagating human sacrafice; which, as most of us know, was unacceptable in the spititual testaments of Yisrael and Yuhdea. Granted, the HRC sprinkled a lil' rose water on the terd, but all ya gotta do is take a whiff and you can tell that it still stinks ... From what I've seen of the Hebrew roots community, they are simply more apologists attempting to manipulate their pedigree out of desperation and guilt. Without a blood libel to cleave unto, they are all scared to death ... literally. And so was Yeshua - except, with great anxiety and equal bravery, He refused to accept ritualistic Levite blood sacrafices to atone for His sins - and so, He was tortured to death. To add insult to injury, a bunch of wannabe-levites pranksters soon resurrect a blood libel and assign HaMashiach's very own blood to the mystical ceremonies ... sorry dude, that just seems foul to me. From what I know of Yeshua, He is very understanding, yet I doubt He would be welcomed in any of these communities anyhow. After all, the temptation of an adulteress proved too strong and after Catholics realized that Yeshua's Father was not going to fight for them, the Babylonian trinity god of ancient Egypt was called in to replace Abba Father in the latter quadrant of the fourth century; considering how much blood was spilled by this perverted god, the guilt they encounter upon seeing Abba Father again may prove too much to bare. Again, in the end of the matter, the religion of HaMashiach appears to be the religion of the Prophets. They do not appear to accept 'magic blood rituals' in order to attain continuous living. Instead, with the threat of death looming all around them, they wash in pure water ... Then turn and trust the Father.
I don't know if I would want to go back to "Torah obedience". lol - first we may have to get our paws on some keys to unlock ToRaH or that task would seem just daunting ... Unfortunately, the keys being used these days are often the same ones that didn't work before. Yirmiyahu tells us that the Levitical priesthood forged ToRaH documents in such a way that blindly following the remaining forged documents may piss God off. Granted, you can't tell that to conspiracy theorists, as they have already made up their minds about things. In the end, wannabe-jews (Roman Christians) apparently have no use for teshuva and wannabe-christians (Messianic Hebrews) have none for enumah. So, yea ... At any rate, depending on what you consider ToRaH, I may be inclined to agree with you - lol
But seeing as that doesn't relate to the topic, I don't know if I should continue discussing it. We are simply discussing and comparing the religion of the Prophets, which rejects idol worship and blood libel, with various religions that have been conjured up through blood libel within a thread inquiring of prophetic substance. Seems to be loosely on topic. Not to imply I am pushing the issue, as I am aware that my blathering is seemingly endless at times; there are certainly plenty of other discussions on these boards worth entertaining. This one just resonates within my bein' ... One Love
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AccountInactive Inactive Junior Member |
I think its amazing, shortly after this, I became a Christian. Just wanted to throw an update out there. I still have doubts about that dream, but don't feel the experience was fruitless. I have since improved since that experience and have my life more together than before. And I praise God for that.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2317 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
xShinigamiEyesx writes:
You praise god for something you did yourself? You're weird.
I have since improved since that experience and have my life more together than before. And I praise God for that.
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Meldinoor Member (Idle past 4830 days) Posts: 400 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
So what caused you to become a Christian? Was it the dream or something else?
Respectfully, -Meldinoor
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