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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
But the article does say that this effect does function more or less with right wingers.
Lefties won't change their conclusions and liberals are very evidence based in their thinking. Maybe that's where we get the term 'right wing nut jobs' from: an intuitive sense that the conclusions of the very right wing are indeed difficult for normal people to understand?
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
But the article does say that this effect does function more or less with right wingers. The backfire effect functioned on Conservatives more in the question regarding WMD possession. A stubbornness from the left did occur in a question about Stem Cell bans but not backfire. However the article's conclusion, and the paper's conclusion both indicate this is not necessarily a left vs right phenomenon. It's just that smears work well because people either ignore corrections or corrections serve to entrench them even further.
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
Modulous writes: However the article's conclusion, and the paper's conclusion both indicate this is not necessarily a left vs right phenomenon. It's just that smears work well because people either ignore corrections or corrections serve to entrench them even further. Hence Larni's determined efforts at a smear of his own.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
What tickles me is that the back fire effect only seems to work for right wingers...
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
Funny, the study does not indicate that. You appear to just be pulling it out of your ass.
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
I would like to know how this is defined and what factors are in play.
My entire family is "conservative" and Christian and I grew to be quite "liberal" by American standards..... I held the opposite views at one time. I often back down from arguments when I'm proven wrong or at least lacking full knowledge.... Edited by DC85, : No reason given.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2131 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
And there are at least three different kinds of "conservative," although there is a lot of overlap.
I see fiscal conservatives, small government conservatives, and "soc-cons" (social conservatives) who are generally religiously-motivated. These latter are often neither fiscal conservatives nor small government conservatives. I suspect the study in the OP did not differentiate. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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killinghurts Member (Idle past 5019 days) Posts: 150 Joined: |
I find this stuff fascinating and depressing at the same time. It's not difficult to say "Perhaps I was wrong"..
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Apothecus Member (Idle past 2436 days) Posts: 275 From: CA USA Joined: |
Hey Slevesque.
Well, for my part I can't imagine my conservative friends to have such a behavior. I'm not sure you read me correctly. I said to think of your most liberal friend and then cite an example. Or maybe I'm not reading you correctly.
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Flyer75 Member (Idle past 2448 days) Posts: 242 From: Dayton, OH Joined: |
Larni writes: What tickles me is that the back fire effect only seems to work for right wingers... You might want to ask Dan Rather about that backfire effect.............
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Trae Member (Idle past 4331 days) Posts: 442 From: Fremont, CA, USA Joined: |
quote:If the 'correction' only appeared with the FoxNews label mightn't it be that liberals are more likely to just ignore FoxNews?
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slevesque Member (Idle past 4666 days) Posts: 1456 Joined: |
No you read right lol, I meant to say none of my conservative or liberal friends.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
If the 'correction' only appeared with the FoxNews label mightn't it be that liberals are more likely to just ignore FoxNews?
quote:If the 'correction' only appeared with the FoxNews label mightn't it be that liberals are more likely to just ignore FoxNews? Again the paper mentions this effect:
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
John Quiggin has two blog posts relating to this issue:
The Oregon Petition and looks for an equivalent from the left in the follow-up. Quiggin does make it clear that the asymmetry he sees is relatively recent, and I would agree. It's cultural, in the broad sense, rather than inherent. Certainly there seems to be a case that currently the right is more in lock-step, holding to indefensible positions as a group than the left is. (Found via Deltoid) Edited by PaulK, : Second URL vanished - was accessible via Deltoid link so no substantive change
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Funny, the study does not indicate that. You appear to just be pulling it out of your ass. Funny, the study does not indicate that. You appear to just be pulling it out of your ass. But for people who placed themselves ideologically to the right of center, the correction wasn’t just ineffective, it actively backfired: conservatives who received a correction telling them that Iraq did not have WMD were more likely to believe that Iraq had WMD than people who were given no correction at all. Where you might have expected people simply to dismiss a correction that was incongruous with their pre-existing view, or regard it as having no credibility, it seems that in fact, such information actively reinforced their false beliefs. Seems it does say that.
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