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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
It would be interesting to do a survey OK. Let's do it.
First find how people rate sense of humour highly as a relatively important feature in a sexual partner. Yes. Definitely. In fact even a type of sense of humour. If you cannot be outrageously silly with people that you regularly get naked with then who can you be super silly with?
Of those that do, ask why is that important. I honestly think that people who just aren't at all funny would be boring to spend that much time and be intimate with.
It would be interesting to see if there was a sex based difference between "I want someone who can make me laugh" and "I want someone who will laugh at my jokes." type answers. Good point. A bit of both but if I am honest I suspect that I get more of a kick from me instigating and driving the "hilarity". But she has gotta be more than just appreciative. She has gotta be able to join in!! No mere spectators of stupidity allowed. But I cannot deny some male ego in this area.
It would be even more fascinating if we could tell if they were telling the truth or not If we are gonna be publicly psycho-analysed I hope I am not the only one who takes part in your survey
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
If we are gonna be publicly psycho-analysed I hope I am not the only one who takes part in your survey I'm in.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Is Wanda Sykes the one who occasionally appears in Curb Your Enthusiasm, always giving LD a hard time? Yeah, that's her. She's a funny actress and her stand up is very funny. She does have writers (I only know this because a friend of mine is a writer for her) but she used to write for Eddie Murphy back in the day. So I guess it goes both ways. I do like her stand up though. I wouldn't go out of my way to watch it but if I caught it I'd listen to some of it. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
So, it seems funny stand-up material (which could have been co-written or ghost written), performed/honed flawlessly over time can be successfully delivered by not-so-funny-but-excellent-performers/actors. No, not stand up material. Sketch, plays, sitcom, movies - those genre's can be written by others and performed by good actors. Stand up is different. Exception being someone like Wanda Sykes who has worked clubs for over 20 years and can NOW take someone elses material and perform it. Lots of comics do this. Dane Cook bought material, I mean, how else would he come up with 2 new 1 hour specials in a year, while still doing movies, etc.? He couldn't, so he buys it from other comics. For the 2nd Blue Collar Comedy Tour, Ron White was offering up to $10,000 for 10 minutes worth of material. But these are pro's who can take the material and perform it. BUT - if you'll notice, Ron White was better on the 1st Blue Collar Tour and Dane Cook was better in the early 90's with his own material. So there is a clear difference. Just like Eddie Murphy's Delirious was better than Raw. Robert Townsend, Keenan Ivory Wayans and Wanda Sykes (and Eddie Murphy too) wrote Raw - Delirious was ALL Murphy. But again, a pro can pull it off. But say someone like Christina Applegate - NEVER will she be able to perform stand up written by anyone. Unless she did stand up for many, many years, then maybe.
If this is true, maybe stand up comedy should be somewhat less weighted to measure GENDER humor, because, for reasons above, it does NOT NECESSARILY show quick wit . . . ??? Stand up, performed at clubs, with a live, drinking, talkative audience is ALL about quick wit. In fact, there's comics like Ian Bagg who don't do anything on stage but improvised stuff. He doesn't go up with material. He's one of the quickest comics I've seen work a room. Don Rickles is nothing but quick wit. Robin Williams too. Can you explain, if I didn't understand what you meant?
In your opinion, how funny would your examples of funny women (Sarah Silverman, Andi Smith, Tina Fey) be in interviews or as talk show hosts? They'd be great.
Compared to Rivers, Ellen Degeneress, Rosie O-Donnel? They'd be great too. Experience at interviewing helps of course but I think all these women would do well.
Alas, should quick-wit be the overall measure of funny? IMO, it has nothing to do with the mechanics of comedy and EVERYTHING to do with audience reaction. Female comics don't do as well as male comics with audeinces. Some do, yes, I agree. But for the most part its a male dominated environment because men seem to be better at making audiences laugh. Just look here at everyone's favorite stand up comics. No one put in their top 5 a woman. This is the list of Comedy Central's top 100 comics:
quote: 9 are women, and Sandra Bernhard did stand up maybe 5 years early in her career when Budd Friedman first opened the LA club and was letting anyone on stage. That's back when Andy Kaufman and his horrible act were allowed on stage. Now a days that shit would NOT fly. In fact, when comics started to get paid Kaufman said that's the worse thing that could have happened to comedy, because now they were expected to do well. Plus, other than Roseanne Barr, Ellen DeGeneres and Wanda Sykes, I don't think the others are funny stand up comics. - Oni Edited by onifre, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
This is the list of Comedy Central top 100 comics: Who voted? Predominantly men? Do you think it makes any difference? Do you think women find female comics funnier than men find them?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
I'm in. In terms of doing the survey yourself? In which case please do (so that I am not the only gullible idiot to fall for Mod's attempt to embarass us all)
I'm in. Or do you mean that you are "in" to psycho-analysing me? In which case - YIPES!!
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Who voted? Predominantly men? Do you think it makes any difference? Do you think women find female comics funnier than men find them? Fine then, name 10 more female STAND UP comics that didn't make the list... The only one I see is Silverman, and the reason (I assume) is because she's still very young. In fact, name 5 more female stand up comics that didn't make the list. Anyone, not just you Straggler. Comedy Central would not be bias on this, they just don't exist. And remember, for any 1 female comic you mention, someone from the list would have to go. My problem with the list is they put Roseanne Barr #9 before comics like Hicks, Seinfeld, Kinison, Murphy, Newhart, etc. I'd say if anything they were MORE than generous. And here's the panel that discussed it (Greg Giraldo, Dom Irerra, Judy Gold, Mario Joyner, Phyllis Diller, Richard Jeni, Pat Cooper, David Brenner, and Richard Lewis) included women, who agreed with the list. - Oni Edited by onifre, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Who voted? Predominantly men? Do you think it makes any difference? Do you think women find female comics funnier than men find them? Fine then, name 10 more female STAND UP comics that didn't make the list... Whooah!! I was genuinely asking!! Not making a question based point. Don't be so sensitive. You big girl you
My problem with the list is they put Roseanne Barr #9 before comics like Hicks, Seinfeld, Kinison, Murphy, Newhart, etc. I'd say if anything they were MORE than generous. Yeah - That is friggin outrageous.
And here's the panel that discussed it (Greg Giraldo, Dom Irerra, Judy Gold, Mario Joyner, Phyllis Diller, Richard Jeni, Pat Cooper, David Brenner, and Richard Lewis) included women, who agreed with the list. Well as a comedically challenged male I can only empathise with my sisters.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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Whooah!! I was genuinely asking!! Not making a question based point. Don't be so sensitive. You big girl you Sorry little lady, I didn't mean to come off upset. I was just trying to help you answer the question yourself.
Well as a comedically challenged male I can only empathise with my sisters. Naw dawg, you one of us, you're funny. But you're at your best when you wigga up and deliver those sick lyrics. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Here's a video (sorry Drone) of Patrice Oneal breaking down what can be funny. Not gender related but I thought it was semi on topic. Btw, I hate this lady. - Oni
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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Sorry little lady, I didn't mean to come off upset. I forgive you. Can we share lipstick now?
Naw dawg, you one of us, you're funny. Aw shucks......
But you're at your best when you wigga up and deliver those sick lyrics. If Petrophysics keeps up his rabid message rating campaign and Nwr keeps pissing me off with his inanity I may be inspired to pick up that mic again. More to the point aiki has registered her approval and you know us "dawgs" are suckers for impressin the laideees Stay Happy
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
onifre responds to me:
quote: Says you. Their success points to a different conclusion. Thus, we show that the adage of "there's no accounting for taste" has some merit to it. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Oni,
IMO, it has nothing to do with the mechanics of comedy and EVERYTHING to do with audience reaction. Thanks for the detailed and enlightening reply. While you corrected my misperceptions, I am still thinking of the Nietzsche quote: "Those who know, but don't do, don't really know." Thus, no matter how detailed your replies, in the end, I still can't quite imagine how comics do it. I am somewhat envious, as I think the feeling of wowing a BIG crowd must be like some super-seasoned-curly-fries-orgasm. You are lucky. Thanks for the top 100 list. I think it stands as evidence that woman are perceived as less funny than men. I should have included that in my original post. I see Albert Brooks as # 32. I think he is very funny, witty guy. Perhaps his movie, "Lost in America'" would be in my top 10 comedy list. Henny Youngman, only #47? Go figure. drnstr
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
In terms of doing the survey yourself? In which case please do (so that I am not the only gullible idiot to fall for Mod's attempt to embarass us all) I had hoped Mod was gonna create the list, he seemed to be into the topic, but I'd be happy to try. I think the way the questions are structured need to be accurately phrased. Why don't I run them by you, Mod, or anyone else who cares to fine tune their usefulness before we give it a bit of the go. Should it be in a new thread?
Or do you mean that you are "in" to psycho-analysing me? In which case - YIPES!! Orrrr, perhaps I just want to coordinate what we are wearing for our big coming-out-of-the-closet party. Stripes or paisley dear?
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Says you. Their success points to a different conclusion. Well of course "says me," this is a subjective opinion. If success had anything to do with them being funny then Carrot Top is hilarious! - Oni
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