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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
It would only be true for the context of EvC and similar venues that I'm the only one who lives in the real world/ thinks as I do. Yeah, I thought that you'd have to snivel out this nonsense eventually. No, the reason that people laugh at your insanity is not because they're posters on EvC, it's because they're sane. You can put this to the test. Ask the next ten people that you meet the following question:
I acquired money by a method which is not only legal, but actually mandated by law. BUT, I used that money to alleviate poverty, just like Jesus commands me to in the Gospels. DOES THAT MAKE ME A THIEF? Let me know if anyone says yes.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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It wouldn't matter what people said about this. People can be wrong. What matters is the absolute principle involved. But we are just talking about what words mean. So if everyone disagrees with you, then you're wrong. If you want to say that there is some "absolute principle" that means that the word "elephant" means "lawnmower", then you are wrong. "Elephant" means elephant, and "stealing" means stealing. Stealing is unlawfully depriving someone of their property. That's what stealing means. You don't get to change it just because it would suit your political ideology for it to mean something else.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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I just don't have any idea what you are saying, no offense going on. I am very tired and my mind is elsewhere and it would take too much work to figure out what you are saying. I'm sorry. Perhaps that should be the last post that you ever make on this forum. It seems to sum it up.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Well, there it is again, Dr. A. What words mean is not a function of what people think. Yes it is. If everyone thinks that the word "dog" means dog, then you don't get to say that it really means cat. Words do in fact mean exactly what people think that they mean. That's how language works. In the same way, stealing means taking someone's property by methods which are illegal. That's what it means. It isn't more or less stealing if you use the money to help the poor. What you do with the money doesn't make it more or less theft.
Your remark about the elephant and the lawnmower is just your inability to grasp what I'm saying and unwillingness to try. About stealing, you don't even seem to know or care that you have a relativistic view of this and that there is and always used to be another view, the absolutist view and that half the world disagrees with you about such things. You continue to be funny.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Does postmodernism decree that you must always treat people who disagree with you uncivilly? Why are you raving about "postmodernism"?
It wouldn't matter what people said about this. People can be wrong. What matters is the absolute principle involved. But my point was that you are not being mocked because there is something special about the people who post on EvC. You are being mocked because almost everyone would find your opinions contemptible, pathetic, and disgusting.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Stealing has nothing to do with what you do with the money and I've never said it does. You are, of course, a liar, and everyone reading this thread knows that you are a liar.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Yes I quoted that way back there in Message 267 I believe against the defenders of stealing who have to make stealing mean what they want it to mean rather than what it objectively means. Where the "objective" meaning of stealing is something that a mad person has made up in her head.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Let's see if I have this straight. 55 years ago, when Eisenhower was president, and the highest marginal tax rate was over 90%, taxation was a civic responsibity. Today, when the highest marginal tax rate is less than 40%, taxation is stealing. No, no, no, you haven't got it at all. Wheter or not taxation is stealing has nothing to do with taxation, as such. It's stealing if Faith doesn't like the purposes to which the tax revenues are applied. The amount of money the government takes from you doesn't matter. What matters is whether or not Faith likes the way it's spent. Yeah, I thought we lived in a democracy too. But it turns out that we live in a Faithocracy, and that anything Faith doesn't like is a crime, no matter what the law actually says. Either that or Faith is insane.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I hope and pray the Lord will take me off government help. Oh my ... OK, for once I'm speechless. Fortunately, it isn't actually necessary for me to say anything.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I have never defined stealing by how the money is used. Not only are you a liar, but everyone reading this thread knows, for certain, without any doubt, that you are a liar.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN YOU PAY FOR SOMETHING YOU GET. WE GET NOTHING BACK WHEN WE ARE TAXED FOR WELFARE What's the opposite of the idiom "speak for yourself"?
You do get something. You get welfare. I don't. Yet you denounce it as theft, and I don't.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
See, another example of how everyone here thinks in terms of what the money is going for, and deciding that it can't be stealing because it's going for a good thing. No. It's not stealing because it's not unlawfully depriving someone of their property, which is what stealing means.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Well, no, I do not know that. I believe that Faith has been quite straightforward and honest in this thread. To me, a liar is somebody who intentionally makes false statement for the purpose of deceiving. And I do not believe that describes what Faith has been doing. OK, let's amend it to "not telling the truth". I was speaking as though she was doing it deliberately, but I am coming round to the conclusion that her behavior is indeed the product of a mental defect over which she has no control.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
With welfare you *are* paying taxes for something you get, just as with the police and military. If you're involved in an accident the police will respond and provide help. If you become destitute the welfare system will respond and provide help. Remember that Faith, perhaps uniquely amongst the disputants on this thread, is directly benefiting from welfare. Faith is on welfare. We don't need to present it to her as an abstraction --- she is living off your money.
That is what she denounces as "stealing". Abstract morality doesn't come in to it, it's what she's actually doing. Your money. Her pocket.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
No, I don't like it either, I don't like being in this position. Then feel free to stop. No-one's forcing you to do this. No-one's holding a gun to your head and making you put your hands in my pockets and take my money out of my pockets and put it into yours. You have a free choice. But instead you prefer to go on doing this and to go on self-righteously denouncing what you yourself are doing as "stealing". This, I think, takes hypocrisy to a whole new level.
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