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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
We all can agree that according to Biblical scripture, Jesus rose on the first day. Right? So happy Easter Sabbath evening, as per the Biblical rendition of a day, being an evening and a morning, evening coming before morning.
So when did Jesus die? For the logical folks here, logically it comes out that he likely died sometime Wednesday eve. 1 day = Our Wednesday eve & our Thursday daytime2 days=Our Thursday eve & our Friday daytime 3 days= Our Friday eve & our Saturday daytime. If we begin counting from our Wednesday evening just after 6 or whenever the Jewish day officially began and count three full days it comes to just after 6 or so and comes out our Saturday eve. The scriptures say Jesus rose on the first day. I do not recall that they say he rose on the morning of the first day. Correct me if mistaken, but that the tomb was empty in the morning. (Abe: Our Saturday evening is the Jewish 1st Day morning, The Jewish first day evening ends on our Sunday evening. This all implies Jesus in the tomb a full 3 days and 3 nights. ) Edited by Buzsaw, : Simplify Thread Title and clarify Edited by Buzsaw, : Change daytime on #3 to Saturday BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
kbertsche writes: According to this verse, it seems that the traditional Friday crucifixion fits NT usage of the term "the third day". He is crucified on Friday, in the tomb the next day, and raised on the third day. Thanks for responding, Kbertsche. When I was a youngster in Christ, I bought into a lot of this kind of traditional stuff. Problem: Matthew 12:40American Standard Version : Jesus writes: .......for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Where's the third night? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Herictic, you need to put your thinking cap on and read the OP. The Jewish 1st day began on our Saturday evening (evening and morning.
Nothing says he was rased in the AM. It just says the first day. You need to cite evidence for your claims. Your work day was not a factor. Was that a joke or showing ignorance? Unless you want to debate in good faith, I'd appreciate if you'd find some thread in the Freeforall Forum. I'm too busy for you here for nonsense. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Hi HeRICT'ic. My sincere apologies and thanks for hanging in there. I'm the one without my thinking cap on when I did #3. I have to leave to go out to dinner but will check in later and read carefully the rest of your message.
1 day = Our Wednesday eve & our Thursday daytime2 days=Our Thursday eve & our Friday daytime 3 days= Our Friday eve & our BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
hERICtic writes: But certain apologists claim that there was another Sabbath during the week. Their reasoning is that since one rests on a high day (a high day is a special day of some kind, ie Passover) that its also a Sabbath. So when it stated the Sabbath was arriving, it was not the Saturday Sabbath but another type. My apologies for the mispelling. We know by the text that the it was time for the Passorver to begin when Jesus and his desciples had their passover celebration in the upper room. That they did this does not mean that that day was the 1st day of Passover. Jesus said, "do this in remembrance of me." He would not be with them on the 1st day of Passover which was one of the two Passover sabbaths, the second one being the last day of the 7 days of Passover feasts, etc. The reason it could fall on any day of the week is because the month Nissan's full moon day could fall on any week day. The word sabbath is not defined by 7th. It's meaning is a time of rest, usually pertaining to a holy day. The Jewish Levicical priesthood regime called for a number of sabbaths, in which no work was to be done/rest time and all that applied to the 7th day Sabbath applied to the other holy sabbaths. The 1st and last days of Passover Sabbaths were every bit as sabbatarian by the Jews as the 7th day sabbath. As was with the case with Jesus, this was no exception. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
kbertsche writes: believe the "three whole days" idea comes only from a literalistic reading of the Jonah references. The position of the OP is that this somehow overrides the references to being raised on the third day. The prophecy does not state that Jesus would be in the tomb 3 full days and 3 full nights. It says he would be in the heart of the earth for this period of time. Hades/Gehenna, according to the account of Lazarus and the rich man had two compartments, one for the sleeping just and on for torment of the unjust. The prophecy states that while there he will "take captivity captive." After he died the record says many dead were seen by people on earth rise out of the earth. Obviously it was his spirit which was in the heart of the earth for the durration of time. The scripture does not designate that his body had to be with him. He evidently had the ability to have metaphysical experiences as with the temtations of Satan when Satan took him up on the pinacle of the a Temple and tempted him to jump. So he could have arose the instant that 3 full days had passed from the instant he died. It doesn't even imply that three full days must be calendar days, just that sometime on the 1st day of the week after completing 3 days he arose. That I said 3 full days in one of my statements does not mean they had to necessarily be to the second, but that the Thursday eve death (our Wed eve) would allow for that if someone felt that it was a requirement. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
hERICtic writes: Sure it does. It clearly states the lambs were slain that day. Not sure what this has to do with your point though.... Passover is feast days, requiring a lot of slaughter as the lambs were not only for sin offerings but for the feasts. The ones for the feasts were likely too many to be killing and preparing on a sabbath day.
Why wouldnt Jesus be with them? How does one celebrate Passover? It cannot fall on any day of the week for the reasons I have already given. Because he was dead! His cup of wine and bread rememberance meal was not actually a passover feast, perse, but as the communion ceremony today it was to remind them to remember him as often as they determined, that he is our passover lamb, i.e. lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world (to as many as receive him as lord/master and savior)
You mentioned Wed was the Passover. No! I didn't say that as per the Jewish days of evenings and mornings. By my calculations, he was dead and off the cross by the Jewish Thursday eve which would calculate Thursday to be their 1st Passover Sabbath day. (Note: first Passover Sabbath day, not first day of week. ) Buz writes:The word sabbath is not defined by 7th. It's meaning is a time of rest, usually pertaining to a holy day. The Jewish Levicical priesthood regime called for a number of sabbaths, in which no work was to be done/rest time and all that applied to the 7th day Sabbath applied to the other holy sabbaths. Show me in the Bible where a high day is called a Sabbath. High days fell on Sabbaths, but nowhere in the entire Bible is a high day called a Sabbath. If you weren't so insistant on your looser postion, one of them is right there as scripture sates he had to be off the cross before sabbath, and traditional Friday-Sunday calculations in no way allow for the next day to be the 7th day sabbath because it only calculates to 2 nights. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
HERICtic, sorry, but your last message didn't make enough sense to warrant the time required for a response.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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