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goldenlightArchangel
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Message 62 of 118 (548105)
02-25-2010 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by JRTjr
12-15-2009 11:57 AM


What Catholicism teaches and what Bible states
wrote,
...there are contradictions between what Catholicism teaches and what the Bible states?
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A mastercopy of scripture made by the Catholicist doctrine of crucifixion teaches that the chief priests would have said: 'we want him to be crucified'
However, the crucifixion doctrine falls in contradiction in the sequence of this passage:
American Standard Version
Pilate saith unto them, Take him yourselves, and crucify him: for I find no crime in him.
Bible in Basic English
Pilate said to them, Take him yourselves and put him on the cross: I see no crime in him.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Pilate saith to them: Take him you, and crucify him: for I find no cause in him.
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In the moment Pilate made the proposal of allowing the chief priests to execute a sentence to death themselves, with the condition that they should utilize the crucifixion method, the high priest did not show interest.
To the contrary, their demand was for the system of the Hebrews:
We have a Law, and he shall be suspended according to our Law....
When Pilate heard this statement, he feared even more. And determining that it had to be as they demanded, he did not impose nor allow condemnation by the laws of the Romans
or of the Roman cross.
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Message 63 of 118 (548924)
03-02-2010 2:14 PM
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12-15-2009 11:57 AM


Re: Please Clarify
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are you saying that different versions of the Bible contradict what original manuscripts state?
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IT WAS NEVER ABOUT A LAMB BEING REQUESTED TO PAY A PRICE FOR YOUR SINS
BUT A LAMB BEING A FREE OFFERING TO PUT AN END TO ALL SINS.
ALSO IT WAS NEVER ABOUT A PRICE TO BE PAID NOR ANY PRICE IMPOSED BY THE LAW EITHER
BUT A LAMB OFFERED AS A FREE AND SPONTANEOUS OFFER:
In the words: 'THE LAMB THAT DIED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD', which translates: EVEN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE BOOK OF SCRIPTURE: book of Genesis,
so the meaning: the same type of offering of the lamb that was offered even in the beginning of Genesis.
THE COMPLETENESS OF THE ETERNAL COVENANT
Power of remission does not depend on price being paid.
Scripture instructs that one has access to salvation by Jhvh’s graciousness, which means they are saved because of Jhvh’s Power of remission, through the Lamb, (that is through the Word of I AM that was made flesh, and by fidelity (that is by remaining in total fidelity to Jhvh).
Same scripture attests that the Power of remission of sins does not depend on price being paid, Jhvh said: But that you may know that the First-fruit of Jhvh abiding within the man has power to remove the sins -- then He said to the paralytic, ‘Arise, take up your pallet and go to your house.’
The Lamb as revealed in the book Revelations
Book of Revelations clears up that this is not a type of lamb for a price being paid.
The offering of the lamb of Jhvh a freely and unexpectedly one as the spontaneous offering in the beginning of Genesis
Apocalipse reveals that it was an unexpected offering that has nothing to do with obligation nor imposition of law.
Lamb called Jehaveh'shua (I AM IS THE SALVATION) was sent to be given as a free offereing: unexpectedly (spontaneously) as in the beginning of the book (Genesis).
For both the book of Hebrews and the book Apocalipse make a clear distinction between a free and unexpected offering and a price being paid:
I - the same type of offering of the lamb that was offered even in the beginning of Genesis.
Vatican's mastercopy: ...beginning of the world
II — Revelation says: ‘With your blood --a blood that was freely offered-- the souls were bought,
III - Thus, one is bought without price: by a free and unexpected offering.
A FREE OFFERING IS NOT ABOUT A PRICE BEING PAID
Just as the type of offering of the lamb that Abel offered in the beginning of Genesis is different from a price being paid,
even so the lamb of Yhvh has nothing to do with the lambs that died through the priesthood of the sons Levi
which were according to obligations and ordinances that had been left to the sons of Aaran;
For in the priesthood of Aaran the lambs were brought to the priest as a price paid for sins.
Whenever the doctrines of faiths and religion use the term 'price being paid'
they are implying that the lamb would have died according to an obligation, operation of imposed law and priesthood of the Levites.
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Message 67 of 118 (549535)
03-08-2010 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by JRTjr
03-07-2010 5:06 PM


What Catholicism teaches and what the Vow of the Nazarite states
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the Law about the vow of the Nazarite (Set Apart or Separated one), book of Numbers, establishes that the locks of one's hair ought to grow long:
he or she was to abstain from wine or any fermented drink, nor was the Nazirite to drink grape juice or eat grapes or raisins, not even the seeds or skins. Next, the Nazirite was not to cut his hair for the length of the vow. Last, he was not to go near a dead body because that would make him unclean to the Spirit. Even if a member of his immediate family died, he was not to go near the corpse.
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so the meaning: the Law about the vow of the Nazarite (Set Apart or Separated one), establishes that the locks of one's hair ought to grow long,
but the sample of texts that came from a mastercopy made up by the spiritual ordinance of Litanies and copied by the Roman catholicism says the opposite,
New International Version (1984)
Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to *[the] god with her head uncovered?
Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him,
but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering.
New American Standard Bible (1995)
Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to *[the] god with her head uncovered?
Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him,
but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering.
English Standard Version (2001)
Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a wife to pray to *[the] god with her head uncovered?
Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him,
but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.
* Note: According to Scripture as originally written there was never a moment that the generic term god or elohim was sanctified by ELYON,
therefore, in the versions of scripture that came from a Catholicist mastercopy, the camel's name god or elohim appears as it was in the days of Mosheh: a common generic designation for deities in the Middle east.
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Paraphrased scripture reveals which contents have been omitted:
Vav -- Let every woman judge by herself if it is decent for her to recite or prophesy Yhvh's Word with her forehead uncovered.
Does not Torah instruct that when a foreigner woman was taken by force and had her head shaved, that was a sign that man had humilliated her by taking her to serve him as a wife?
Zyin -- But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her.
For her long hair is given to her for a veil.
And if anyone seems to be contencious [whether impeding or imposing the use of a forehead covering]
we [the Hebrews] do not have it [to be worn] for [a] custom [or segment of tradition],
Neither we [the Hebrews] nor the gatherings of people of the Most High.
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Message 68 of 118 (549660)
03-09-2010 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by JRTjr
03-07-2010 4:56 PM


The many roads and ways leading to Roman mistranslation
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wrote,
A direct translation ‘word for word’ (per say) would not make much sense especially with two completely unique languages.
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In the verification by measurent, the proof of authenticity is not based on a word for word comparison.
Verification by measurement is about facts.
And the one that inquires for truth might ask this: What facts indeed occurred?
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It is only by verifying the facts that one clears up which scripture is not just another version leading to the one Roman mistranslation and mastercopy called sacred vulgate and others.
And as all manuscripts and their copies were sealed within under lock and key,
also The Acts of Pilate was eclipsed, obscured by the spiritual ordinance of Litanies,
and the original scripture of Nicodemus speaking to Pilate about the Law of the Hebrews was substituted with the same passages of the crucifixion story cut and pasted from the sacred vulgate.
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Second Reversed 4th Key — Acts of Pilate, The Scripture Paraphrased,
Then the governor commanded all the chief priests to go out from the Praetorium, and he called Jehaveh'shua to him and saith unto him:
What shall I do with thee? Jehaveh'shua saith unto Pilate: Do as it hath been given thee.
Pilate saith: How hath it been given?
Jehaveh'shua saith: As it was written by Mosheh in the books of Law and of the prophets concerning the manner a lamb is offered to die.
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Version belonging to fides quae creditur doctrine:
...What shall I do with thee?
Iesus saith unto Pilate: Do as it hath been given thee.
Pilate saith: How hath it been given?
Iesus saith: Moses and the prophets did foretell concerning my death...
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quote:
A mastercopy of scripture made by the Catholicist doctrine of crucifixion teaches that the chief priests would have said: 'we want him to be crucified'
However, the crucifixion doctrine falls in contradiction in the sequence of this passage:
American Standard Version
Pilate saith unto them, Take him yourselves, and crucify him: for I find no crime in him.
Bible in Basic English
Pilate said to them, Take him yourselves and put him on the cross: I see no crime in him.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Pilate saith to them: Take him you, and crucify him: for I find no cause in him.
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In the moment Pilate made the proposal of allowing the chief priests to execute a sentence to death themselves, with the condition that they should utilize the crucifixion method, the high priest did not show interest.
To the contrary, their demand was for the system of the Hebrews:
We have a Law, and he shall be suspended according to our Law....
When Pilate heard this statement, he feared even more. And determining that it had to be as they demanded, he did not impose nor allow condemnation by the laws of the Romans
or of the Roman cross.
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4th Key — The sign of the lamb [the palms of both hands gathered and pressed to one another] the maximum approach between both hands, being replaced by the precise opposite: the sign of the beast that is the maximum distance between both hands; the sign of the Roman cross. — What’s a fourth key — The term Fourth Synchronized key, in this case, is being used for a real evidence of the sign of the lamb.
A reversed 4th key is evidence that the sign of the lamb has been eclipsed and kept hidden by the presence of another mark: the Roman cross, that is the exact contrary of what the sign of the lamb is.


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Message 70 of 118 (549760)
03-10-2010 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by JRTjr
03-10-2010 11:54 AM


Buying or Selling without using the number of the beast
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When one comes to sell [publishing or quoting the Word of scripture],
or when one quotes the Words of life to buy the souls that are worth gold and precious stones,
then he or she has the option of not using the numbers that were placed in the bible; its sequences of verse numbers were made to belong to the spirit of the doctrine i.e. similar to leopard with dexter agility.
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wrote,
....you have given quotes, and given the versions that they are out of, but, you have failed to give the ‘Book’, ‘Chapter’, and ‘Verse’ of the Bible(s) you are quoting from.
If one enters the quote "long hair is a dishonor" by google the result is a list of sites giving the Book and other references.
However, to quote the verse numbers placed in the bible is paying reverence to the alleged authority of a cardinal and an archbishop,
because there is no difference in that: When quoting the Words of truth, then to use the verse numbers (that they placed beside the eternal word) is calling them 'worthy of reverence in matters to the Spirit and is naming them as legitimate authority from above to rule over the Scriptures as the Scribes of the Catholicism did for over 1,500 years.
In 1560 the Scriptures were entirely divided into the verse numbering form, but the sequence placed before the eternal word by a Roman spiritual ordinance belongs to Vivi Sei.
quote:
It was quoted before in the subject 'Ascertaining on the existence of Vivi Sei', Thread 7204, forum 6, Faith and Belief,
There is a transcription in the pages of a book written on the outside and sealed within, which brings up where and what type of holy place the number that proceeded from the spiritual ministry of the beast is accessible to be counted. Also which mode of understanding and systematic decryption that holy place does require in order for the result 6,6,6 to be found, with consistency, in all terminations of sequence from the rows of verses and chapters of a book of 66 books, a protestant bible.
The number of the name. -- In 1551, resulting from a work done in the name of a cardinal spiritual ministry, a version of New Testament was first divided. And in 1560, in the name of the spiritual ordinance of an archbishop, an English translation of the Scriptures was entirely divided into the verse-chapter division that the doctrines of faiths-beliefs of the earth have been imposing upon the word.
The Hebrews did not accept imposition of these divisions and instead continued the ancient practice of referring to the eternal words by quoting the first few words of the paragraph. It was only later that some of the Hebrews adopted the Catholicist verses and chapter divisions for use in debates forced upon them by the alleged spiritual authorities.
When applying math operations for the consistency of the result 6,6,6 these operations require the counting of the sequences of verses, chapters and books from a book of 66 books.
...requirement to humble himself before his god
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The words 'before his god' fit into the same type of righteousness that came from the Scribes of early Yudaism and the copies of ancient testament they had made.
To do the same righteousness of the Scribes is believing in the lie that the Celestial would have ever sanctified the Generic term god and elohim.
To cover the lie with another lie is what the religions and doctrines of faiths do by using a capitalized 'g' or 'e' to camouflage the generic term god and elohim
and then sanctify what the Celestial did not sanctify,
because the service of the doctrines of faiths is to carry out the will of their father of belief--lie i.e. the dragon, a specialist on camouflages and in making one believe.
quote:
According to the righteousness of the Scribes who made copies of the scriptures and translated the Ancient Testament to you,
there is nothing more righteous than using the same Generic term 'god' to refer to the images [the calves; a deity or heathen god]
and at the same time to refer to the Eternal.
What causes the Generic term elohim--god(s) to be the name of a Camel being swallowed by the Scribes of Yudaism, and of religion and doctrines of faiths, is the fact that ELYON did not sanctify the generic term god and elohim (gods).
אל EL abbreviation of ELYON
Jehaveh'shua——I AM IS THE SALVATION said: The Scribes took the keys of the door of Scripture and hid them; nor did they enter, and those who desired to enter, they permitted them not. You, however, be precautious with serpents and innocent with doves! —— (The Tomah Gospel Paraphrased).
To be precautious with serpents or being prudent as with serpents is not acting hastely but seeing first that the scripture they translate have been substituting EL אל (abbreviation of ELYON——which means THE ONE THAT DECLARES) with both generic terms god and elohim——a common generic designation for deities in the Middle east.
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Message 73 of 118 (550596)
03-16-2010 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by JRTjr
03-15-2010 1:16 PM


Size of the Camel: over 2,311 times that the generic term elohim--god(s) appear
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You are, after all, using the generic term 'the Celestial' in the same way that those evil religions and doctrines of faiths used the Generic term god and elohim; are you not?
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The problem is 'elohim--god(s)' is not just a Generic term:
According to all Encyclopedias and biblical dictionaries that explain the origin of the Camel's name elohim/god(s),
it was a Common Generic designation for deities (calves, idols, heathen gods and baalim) in the Middle east on the days of MOSHEH.
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...in the same way that those religions and doctrines of faiths
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Revelation **:* And all the inhabitants of the earth will be found to be worshipping the beast: all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that died even in beginning of the world. -- Weymouth New Testament Paraphrased
One might verify the Scripture confirms that ALL the world has been amazed after the beast,
therefore many have been believing in Scribes of early Yudaism, after all, by using that same righteousness of the Scribes:
that there's nothing more righteous than to use the common generic term elohim--god(s) for the deities, calves, baalim, abominations of the land and the heathen which is less than nothing,
and then use that same common generic term in reference to the Eternal and Celestial too.
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So many have swallowed the same Camel i.e. called elohim--god(s) substituting the original Hebrew word EL (abbreviation of ELYON/THE ONE THAT DECLARES
If one verifies that the mistranslation is real
then it is also real that it is not a problem of the size of a fly going after a camel,
it is called 'a Camel' because its size is over 2,311 times in which the mistranslation elohim--god(s) had been replacing the word EL of ELYON in the translations that came from the spiritual ordinance of the Scribes of early Yudaism.
quote:
2nd When making the segnale of the cicatrice stigmata
the glittering word of I AM said: IN THE PLACE OF MY NAME, wounding the forehead of a scarlet Roman Force that was, and is not, and is sealed to go into perdition.
3rd All the world wondered after the doctrine which had the deadly wound by the sword and lived; For it was given to continue until a time of times. .And as a wound in the shape of a CROSS cannot be cicatrized by itself,
BY THE SIGN of that miracle a cicatrix mark has been received on the forehead in the [place of a] name, or a reverence by quoting its verse numbers *REQUIRED to sell the word by which the souls are bought.
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* In 1560 the Scriptures were entirelly divided into the verse numbering form, but the sequence placed before the eternal word by a Roman spiritual ordinance belongs to Vivi Sei

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Message 76 of 118 (550730)
03-17-2010 5:01 PM
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03-17-2010 2:30 AM


When ELYJAH and ELYON declared the meaning of 'god'
After all the term the Celestial reflects the same generality as elohim {I.E. The Celestial is a Common
Generic designation for deities (calves, idols, heathen gods)
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Does the term 'the Celestial' reflect the same generality as 'god' and 'elohim'?
Of course many words and terms do reflect the same generality to them that make no distinction between what is from down; made by the hands of man: a god or elohim,
and the ONE FROM ABOVE that is not to be compared, THE HEAVENLY and eternal that said I AM THAT I AM
I AM THAT I AM also means 'Does not depend on anything to come into BEING',
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Without presenting evidence (that is based on facts from scripture fragment) anyone can say that the word god or elohim means 'eternal' and 'heavenly',
and even the lie that had been created by many sites: that elohim would allegedly mean Mighty One(s)
However, it was never about what the Generic term elohim means to you or any man
but what it means in the Scriptures as originally written,
Another view on the perspectives
After the death of Ahab, Moab rebelled against JISHRAEL and Ahaziah had fallen through the latticed window of his upper room in Samaria and was injured. So he sent messengers instructing them: Go inquire of Baal-zebub, the elohim of Ekron, if I will recover from this injury.
But the angel of JEHAVEH said to ELYJAH the Tishbite: Go and meet the messengers of the king of Samaria and ask them, Is it because there is no ELYON [THE ONE THAT DECLARES] in JISHRAEL that you are going to inquire the word of Baal-zebub, the elohim of Ekron?
Therefore, this is what JEHAVEH says: You will not get up from your sickbed and you will certainly die. Then ELYJAH left. The messengers returned to the king, who asked them, Why have you come back? —— They replied, A man came to meet us and said: Go back to the king who sent you and declare to him: This is what JEHAVEH says: Is it because there is no ELYON [THE ONE THAT DECLARES] in JISHRAEL that you're sending these men to inquire of Baal-zebub, the elohim of Ekron?
Therefore, you will not get up from your sickbed and you will certainly die. The king asked them: What sort of man came up to meet you and spoke those words to you? They replied, A hairy man with a leather belt around his waist. He said, It's ELYJAH the Tishbite. So king Ahaziah sent a captain of 50 with his 50 men to ELYJAH. When the captain went up to him, he was sitting on top of the hill. He announced, man of elohim, the king declares: Come down!
ELYJAH responded to the captain of the 50: But if I am a man of ELYON [THE ONE THAT DECLARES], what will come down is a bolt of lightning from heaven to consume you and your 50 men. Then a discharge came down from heaven and consumed him and his 50 [men]. So the king sent another captain of 50 with his 50 men to ELYJAH. He took in the situation and announced, man of elohim, this is what the king says: Come down right now!--
ELYJAH responded to the captain of the 50: But if I am a man of ELYON [THE ONE THAT DECLARES], what will come down is a bolt of lightning from heaven and consume you and your 50 men. So a celestial lightning came down from heaven and consumed him and his 50 men.
Then the king sent a third captain of 50 with his 50 [men]. The third captain of 50 went up and fell on his knees in front of ELYJAH and begged him,
O holly man, please let my life and the lives of these 50 servants of yours be precious in your sight. Already the bolt of lightning has come down from heaven and consumed the first two captains of 50 with their fifties, but this time let my life be precious in your sight.
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Message 78 of 118 (550838)
03-18-2010 4:49 PM
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03-17-2010 5:09 PM


the original contents were set apart
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greyseal writes:
the originals ARE lost, and older versions (dead sea scrolls for example) are different to the newer ones...
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Just because religion and doctrines of faiths have been printing and publishing a corrupted mastercopy of scripture
that does not mean the original contents are lost.
The originals were set apart
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Message 80 of 118 (551417)
03-22-2010 5:15 PM
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03-21-2010 4:14 PM


A Matter of Non-participation in lies and false witness
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See, the problem I am having here is that you claim that the Celestial would not have sanctified the Generic term god and elohim.
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It is not a question of claiming which term would be the appropriate one for ELYON or The Most High,
the problem and matter is about not participating in that type of righteousness of the Scribes of early Yudaism,
1st. In the Scriptures there are evidences that the Most High did not sanctify the Generic term 'god' or 'elohim'
2nd. It's the Scripture that gives the understanding that the practice of using one generic term (god/elohim) for the calves and idols and then to use that same generic term in reference to the Eternal and Heavenly one, is a practice that came from the Scribes and only can belong to the righteousness of the Scribes.
So the question is not about claiming a thing or two about what names or what terms are the official or appropriate ones,
but of non-participation in lies and false witness that were embedded in the versions of bible that had been left to religion and doctrines of faiths, id est; bibles and mastercopies that were made by the spiritual ordinance of Litanies and were made accomplishing the lies, false witness and righteousness of the Scribes of early Yudaism.
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Message 81 of 118 (551990)
03-25-2010 4:55 PM
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Who First had the habit of saying 'As the god lord lives'?
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Show me somewhere in the Sacred Hebrew text (Commonly known as the Torah) where..
requires us to only use one term when talking to or referring to..
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According to the books of the Prophets, the instruction of the Law is not about using more than one term.
IsaIah clears up that the instruction is about to regard the Most High as holly--separate
and that is what the Generic term 'god--elohim (gods)' isn't.
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Speaking through IsaIah the Scripture says: 'Yahweh--Jehaveh of the Hosts you shall regard as HOLLY (Set Apart)'
(that is, Set Apart and Separate from the Generic term that the Most High used for the deities, baalim, elohim, calves and heathen gods)
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Also JeremIah **:** clears up this,
Therefore hear the word of I AM (Yahveh), all you of Judah who dwell in the land of Egypt:
Behold, I have sworn by my great name, says Yahveh, that my name shall no more be invoked by the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, specifically the ones that have the habit of adjuring ‘As the god lord lives.
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Who first had the habit of saying 'As the god lord lives'?
They were the Scribes of early Yudaism and of religion (doctrines of faiths) whose righteousness continued to be as usual: of using for the Most High the same generic and common name (god and elohim) that the MOST HIGH uses when referring to their deities, calves and heathen gods.
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Message 98 of 118 (559608)
05-10-2010 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by JRTjr
05-08-2010 2:37 AM


Who created the saying 'as the elohim (gods) our lord lives'
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The common generic term for deities and idols elohim is plural. Hebrew words that end with 'im', vavim, baalim, are plural.
The saying 'as the elohim [gods] our lord lives' was utilized in the practice of swearing a religious conjuration, and the Scribes carried out that practice to continue doing the will of the father of the beliefs.
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Message 100 of 118 (560355)
05-14-2010 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by JRTjr
04-26-2010 2:21 AM


IN ONE'S TIME OF DYING
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JRTjr writes:
If there was not price to be paid for sin; then why an 'OFFERING TO PUT AN END TO ALL SINS'?
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The offerings imposed by the Law for the sins were all about prices to be paid and only offered a temporary solution because the person knew that 'if there is a price payable for the sins, then his life still belongs to himself and it is not taken away from him', and this fact also implies that 'paying a price for the sins' has never been a real solution.
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If a person dies in I AM,
In one's time of dying, nobody is requested to still talk about price being paid,
All I AM wants for you to do is bring the body home (completeness of repose) by not using it for sin anymore, that is to die easy.
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For it is by graciousness--unmerited compassion that you become saved, through fidelity. And this [salvation--forgiveness] is not by any merit of your own, it is the Eternal’s gift. And after a great debt was pardoned, the account became totally cleared up to have no debt nor credit any longer.
Justification [to be declared righteous] is according to the grace of ELYON [THE ONE THAT DECLARES]. — And this salvation does not depend on anything of your own spirit. Unmerited means that nothing of the spirit of man gives any reason for him to be forgiven.
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the Roman doctrine fides quae creditur becomes obsolete
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quotation from Spotlight,
Salvation obtained for having credit is fides quae credited (warranted) by the spirits of men (potentates from down); a desolation stands where it ought not.

The term 'price paid for sin' implies that there was a solution or price to be paid which would solve the problem and the sinner would not die.
However, if there was a solution or price payable for the sins, then nobody died since the lamb would have allegedly paid that price dying in the system of the Roman laws which had nothing to do with the Law given to the Hebrews.
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JRTjr writes:
the crucifixion ..on the cross.. ..is the price paid
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The statement that it was allegedly necessary for the lamb to pay the price for one’s debts, (rather than the clear fact that I AM has bought the entire debtor),
does coincide with the same point of view of the Roman doctrine fides quae creditur and the story inserted in the bibles during the 13 hundred years of prosperity of the eighth kingdom, (State of Vatican) which is of the seven (Rome being one of the seven kingdoms that form the head of the beast--or doctrine that was, and is not, and is sealed to go into perdition).
For the lamb was sent as a free offering to I AM,
you can't hijack that lamb, he was sent by I AM and was offered to I AM.
and the cause of death was death by UNCTION with flamed glittering light from the density of the clouds, THE SPIRIT WAS DELIVERED IN THE HANDS OF I AM,
not in the death's hand. The death itself was won and did not have any participation in this.
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Message 101 of 118 (564303)
06-09-2010 5:16 PM


IN ONE'S TIME OF DYING
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Is not this the reason for your error, that you have no knowledge of the Holly [Separate] Writings or of the power of ELYON [THE ONE THAT DECLARES]?
When the spirits come back from the dead bodies, they do not get married, but are like the angels in heaven. But as to the dead coming back to life;
have you seen in the book of Mosheh, about the burning thorn-tree,
how ELYON [THE ONE THAT DECLARES] said to him,
I AM ELYON to Abraham, and ELYON to Isaac, and ELYON to Jacob?
ELYON declares not to the dead, but to the living: you have been greatly in error.
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Bible in Basic English
The living are conscious that death might come to them, but the dead are not conscious of anything,
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Message 103 of 118 (566663)
06-25-2010 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by JRTjr
06-24-2010 5:32 PM


Re: what was owed to whom?
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JRTjr writes:
God does not change, nor does his view of ‘sin’;
therefore the price of ‘sin’ will always be required to be paid.
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If the eclipsed version of bible you use does imitate the justice of the scribes and was made in part for the system of religion and doctrines and their type of justice, --that is to use on the plates of the scale one common generic term: god and elohim, for the idols and deities and, at the same time, use that same generic term also for the Most High ELYON (THE ONE THAT DECLARES)--,
and if one imitates that form of justice, system and eclipsed version, saying,
quote:
the god does not change ,
the price of ‘sin’ will always be required to be paid .

Is that not the same as saying that the god will not forgive ?
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JRTjr writes:
The ‘cost’ of my rebellion against the Great Creator is eternal separation from Him {Death};
Unless you are forgiven
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....died so that I could be reconciled to The ‘Great I Am’
You would be reconciled to I AM anyway, in every time and season that is called now,
if you had read, known or done what the eternal instruction of I AM does declare, by IsaIah, saying,
Come now, let us reason together, says I AM: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.
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Message 105 of 118 (568694)
07-07-2010 5:08 PM
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07-06-2010 12:21 AM


The image of the beast in a book of 66 books
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JRTjr writes:
will not arbitrarily forgive sin .
...under the Law almost everything is purified by means of blood, and without the shedding of blood there is neither release from sin and its guilt nor the remission of the due and merited punishment for sins .
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Neither the lamb that I AM was offered to continue the old system of operation of law, nor does the offering that establishes the New and eternal Covenant have anything to do with being ruled under the obligations of the old covenant by operation of law.
JRTjr writes:
‘Arbitrary forgiveness’ or ‘substitutionary forgiveness’?
You also have the option of inquiring this,
If All died in the lamb that I AM, then why all the world had been accustomed to believe (or take as [if it was] truth) that the lamb would have been sent to die for one’s debts rather than the debtor, and for the sins rather than the entire sinner;
Is that not evidence that all the world has been amazed after the doctrine of the eighth nation (the State of Vatican) and has been showing reverence (in matters to the spirit) before the image and likeness of beasts (imposed directives) and the false prophet (theology);
In the time it is clear that All died it is evident that, before the lamb of the eternal covenant, there was no justification for the sins any longer. By sending the lamb to die in your place, the lamb died for the entire sinner; not for anyone’s debts. You are forgiven if you ascertain and know that, in the lamb that I AM, all died. Therefore, in matters to the Spirit, you’re dead and you will not live unless you come back to life by the lamb of the new covenant.
Therefore the forgiveness that I AM is according to grace and choice (election). Both election which is by grace and the celestial forgiveness are unconditional and spontaneous;
Forgiveness is not automatically substitutional nor conditional either, because the Forgiveness that I AM has Power of remission which does not depend on paying a price;
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The fragments (excerpts) of ancient texts clear up that the Power of remission of sins does not depend on price being paid, I AM WHO SAVES said,
But that you may know that the First-fruit of man --the first-fruit of the Spirit that I AM that vivifies and becomes a part of the man-- has power to remove the sins; ‘Arise, take up your pallet and go to your house.’
I AM who sent the lamb to die not in exchange of having a price paid for whatever you have done; it is not about one’s debts or sins any more because you already died. I AM sent the lamb to die in exchange of having you. Your life does not belong to you any longer.
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IT WAS NEVER ABOUT A LAMB BEING REQUESTED TO PAY A PRICE FOR YOUR SINS
BUT A LAMB BEING A FREE OFFERING TO PUT AN END TO ALL SINS.
ALSO IT WAS NEVER ABOUT A PRICE TO BE PAID NOR ANY PRICE IMPOSED BY THE LAW EITHER
BUT A LAMB OFFERED AS A FREE AND SPONTANEOUS OFFER:
In the words: 'THE LAMB THAT DIED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD', which translates: EVEN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE BOOK OF SCRIPTURE: book of Genesis,
so the meaning: the same type of offering of the lamb that was offered even in the beginning of Genesis.
Instruction is given that one has access to salvation by Jhvh’s graciousness, which means they are saved because of Jhvh’s Power of remission, through the lamb, (that is, through the Word that I AM; the word that was made flesh, and by fidelity--Hebrew word Emunah ).
JRTjr writes:
Again I ask: If there was no price to be paid for sin; then why an OFFERING TO PUT AN END TO ALL SINS. ?
The death and resurrection of the lamb puts an end to all sins because this new covenant clears up that the only solution for the sinner is to become a new person.
Therefore, the death and resurrection of the lamb puts an end to all sins as it was quoted in the book of Daniel, because it is the sinner that dies in the lamb, and it has nothing to do with paying price for one's debts.
The lamb in the book Revelations clears up that this is not a type of lamb for a price being paid.
The offering of the lamb that I AM was a free and unexpectedly one, a semblance of the lamb that was offered in the beginning of Genesis.
Apocalipse reveals that it was an unexpected offering that has nothing to do with obligation nor imposition of law.
the lamb called Jehavh'shua (I AM WHO SAVES) was sent to be given as a free offering: unexpectedly (spontaneously) as in the beginning of the book (Genesis).
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Both the book of Hebrews and the book Apocalipse make a clear distinction between a free and unexpected offering and a price being paid,
I - the same type of offering of the lamb that was offered even in the beginning of Genesis.
From a mastercopy left to the Vatican: ...even in the beginning of the world
II — Revelation says: ‘With your blood --a blood that was freely offered-- the souls were bought,
III - Thus, one is bought without price: by a free and unexpected offering.
A FREE OFFERING IS NOT ABOUT A PRICE BEING PAID
Just as the type of offering of the lamb that Abel offered in the beginning of Genesis is different from a price being paid,
even so the lamb that I AM has nothing to do with the ones that died through the priesthood of the sons Levi
which were according to obligations and ordinances that had been left to the sons of Aaran;
For in the priesthood of Aaran the lambs were brought to the priest as a price paid for sins.
Whenever the doctrines of faiths [that had been given and left in part of the translations for the book of 66 books; as a likeness and image that belongs to the Roman docrine fides quae creditur], and the image of that directive does use the term price paid for the sins,
that image of the beast is implying that the lamb would have been allegedly offered to continue the old system of operation of law,
thus the beast and the false prophet (theology) have been succesful in the job of proposing that an offering which establishes the New and eternal Covenant would have anything to do with paying a price for one's debts, and with being ruled under the obligations of the old covenant by operation of law.
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