What was God’s plan behind Creation and why does he need one?

Disclaimer!!!!This is not a comment directed to any poster in particular. This is one of the difficulties with discussing evolution: like any area of science there is a need to use precise language. When that language is not read carefully it will be miss-interpreted and erroneous conclusions will be drawn.Edited by Larni, : DetailEdited by Larni, : Quotes

There seems to be two separate situations here;
1) people suffering due to accidents/natural disasters/illness
2) people suffering due to decisions made by themselves or by others.Is this a fair conclusion?Also, if you're saying that suffering is caused by God, is the opposite of that true as well? Sure there is suffering in the world, there is also a lot of happiness, even "natural happiness" - did you see the full moon several days ago? OMG! amazing! I understand that this specific conversation can be 'quicksand', I'm just trying to understand your whole position on the topic.You are correct when you say "Yahweh can do anything", do you really want Him to do everything? Me? I like a good challenge, I like to compete, I like to build things with my own hands. I have failed, my Win-Loss is probably 50-50 and I have hit my thumb more than once. I will keep on keepin' on.Could God create a world where there is no suffering? no pain? no death? Yes He can and that is what Jesus said He was going to go do.This earth has suffering, this creation has trial, this world has temptation, in this universe WE get to decide whether we will accept God or reject Him. Do you think God suffers when somebody rejects Him?I do NOT mean to imply that this is some sort of tit-for-tat relationship - ie Yahweh decides that if somebody rejects Him, thereby causing Him to suffer, that He will unleash some natural disaster. I'm saying that God created this world with endless possibilities and consequences.I think we can agree that if a pharmaceutical company developed a cure for some illness but didn't make it available, that would be 'our' fault. Likewise, if a car company knew about a design defect that had proven to be fatal, but decided it would be cheaper to pay attorneys/lawsuits then to recall a million cars, that too would be 'our' fault.Edited by 3DSOC, : spelling

The fossil record proves that these graduations exist?Concluding that a species which possesses complex eyes must have evolved because some other species has simple eyes does not prove that the graduations exist.

Darwin --- and I --- were actually talking about gradations found in nature today. They prove the proposition that there are organs of vision, varying in complexity, which are useful to their possessors, and so show in principle that a complex eye could have evolved.However, since you ask, yes, a progression can be seen in the fossil record, for example in the chordates. Pikaia and Haikouella had eye spots, conodonts and agnathans had primitive eyes (as do living agnathans), and "higher" chordates (e.g. bony fish) have lensed eyes. I guess this is something I should add to the article.

excerpt from article titled "An early Cambrian craniate-like chordate"
"But Haikouella also has several additional anatomic features: a heart, ventral and dorsal aorta, an anterior branchial arterial, gill filaments, a caudal projection, a neural cord with a relatively large brain, a head with possible lateral eyes, and a ventrally situated buccal cavity with short tentacles."
- Jun-Yuan Chen, Di-Ying Huang, & Chia-Wei LiHas the analysis of this fossil record changed?It is my understanding that the chordate fossil record is relatively poor, hence the "possible lateral eyes". Do you have another example? Does the fossil record of man prove these gradations?

Hi 3DSOCI think your recent discussion about the evolution of the eye is off topic.This topic is not related to evolution at all, but to creation. What was God's plan behind creation and why did he need one?If you wish to discuss the evolution of the eye, please either start or join another topic.Edited by Jumped Up Chimpanzee, : No reason given.

Jumped Up Chimpanzee,I do apologize for taking up so much of this discussion thread with a tangent topic - I will not carry on the evolution discussion here any longer.As to your original question, as I previously stated, I don't have an answer. Or at least any answer I give would be strictly my opinion and would have very little (if any) fact to support it.~3DSOCEdited by 3DSOC, : No reason given.

I don't quite see your point. I didn't say that any of them had no eyes, but that some of them had primitive eyes. No. The chordates include all vertebrates. We've got quite a lot of them. Good grief. Of course not. All mammals have proper lensed eyes. Can you picture an australopithecine with eyespots?---Anyway, we are way off-topic, so if you want to learn more about eyes, you'll have to start a new thread. Or there are books, of course ...

Don't you see? Yahweh could cure all the horrible diseases if he so wished. He could have gone one step further and not invented them at all.When Yahweh invented disease, what was he thinking? Apart from making life shorter and more miserable, what possible reason could he have had?You miss the point here: everything is ultimately your Gods fault: and yes that includes the good bits. So what we have is Yahweh looking down on us and assigning good and bad happenstance to difference people based on some criteria only he is privy to becuase guess what? Innocent people come off just as bad as wicked people in this life. How does that compare with a baby dying at child birth through no fault of it's own or the stirling efforts of the medics trying to save him?Competing is so far off the point (as with the previous poster on this very thread who I'm having almost exactly the same conversation with (have you read all the thread?).Edited by Larni, : More incredulity